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[Nuggie]

Sen, long time no see. Good to see you.

Back when IB was in the top spot, I recall DA/VD were competing just fine. Without logging at mobs fully buffed. I also recall TMO getting mobs. There was a good amount of loot going each way.

Then a gm with obvious conflicts of interests ran IB off. DA went with TMO and game over. The raid scene has been fairly one sided ever since.

I also recall TMO immediately turning the spin/flame monster onto BDA after VD folded. Without provocation.

To the TMO people. Wouldn't you enjoy "the race" if you were competing against 4 other equally capable guilds?

[Triangle]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is that entitled? There are rules for how things operate generally that's how the p99 community has historically worked. You just want TMO disbanded on this server, which is all fine and dandy I'm just curious how deep this went and the details on who was actually breaking the rules. And such a thing may or may not happen given the extent of what transpired.

There are general rules yes. But sometimes exceptions need to be made when such vile acts are committed. You forget that precedent only deals with like cases and this is the first of its kind.
Nilbogf and rog have the option to ban al of you permAnently for shitting up the server and you should hank them for not doing so. Remember you have shat u the place for the past two years so your word is about as good as Bernie madoffs at this point.

You took risks in sharing your accounts with strangers as do I. However when I logged in last night to check if he was banned I was not thinking of how I would blame the gms if he was but how pissed I would be at the person I trusts and at myself for trusting him. In short accept some fucking responsibility

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back when IB was in the top spot, I recall DA/VD were competing just fine. Without logging at mobs fully buffed. I also recall TMO getting mobs. There was a good amount of loot going each way.

The raid scene was terribly one sided until DA came around, and they had to crawl and scratch their way into the raid scene... It wasn't pretty, but through a lot of hard work they succeeded. Go back and read these forums from then, I think you are forgetting. Things were nasty, nasty, nasty. They are pretty civil now in comparison.

And before Kunark there was basically two raid guilds: IB and DA. There were also 5 targets. Think about that. Compare that to now. It makes sense why things were so horrible when you think about it. I think time has softened the lenses on our past history here.

Btw, it wasn't until a year later that VD competed, when IB needed their bodies for joint raids. And then VD/BDA teamed for a bit... I don't think VD was ever a raid force on its own, other than for planar clears (and yes VD and DA teamed, but that was to clear PoSky pre-Kunark, which wasn't "competitive" in the same sense).

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Triangle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but how pissed I would be at the person I trusts and at myself for trusting him. In short accept some fucking responsibility

Before I leave the server, I am totally surnaming your monk Rover Balls'on'Fire

[Erasong]

Having known a lot of the Fennin ro TMO people for years I can honestly say I dont think they had any proof of wrongdoing. It might have been suspected ( read that.. MIGHT, MAYBE ) but the fact is you dont punish people for something they MIGHT be doing.

Having been an older member of IB for a year or so up until the beginning of TMO appearing on p99 I can also say with certainty the raid scene was fucked and rumors of corruption and mass RMT'ing by top end guilds was here LONG before they arrived.
Thinking this might somehow change with TMO being suspended and all of a sudden IB white knighting for the server is flawed unless you are banking on somehow a certain level of humility being instill with the 3 years of TMO getting the lions share of the kills.


Lastly, TMO, I love you guys and I love my IB ex guildies as well. What would be best, and I said it back then before I was semi ran off of the server for being somewhat of a yes man in order to make it happen, but a peaceful co-existance is whats best for this server and a rotation with some competative aspects in place I think is the way to do it.

You guys all love EQ or you wouldnt be here. You have at least this in common if nothing else. Time to man up and recognize the behavior exhibited by both sides is not only self destructive, but juvenile and work together for the love of the game.

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My memory is only so good. I don't recall any guilds getting suspended for the 365 round. Maybe I'm wrong.

Also, alarti. I thought you were banned. Why you come creeping back when they kick you out?

Forum suspended. Never in game.

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sen, long time no see. Good to see you.

Back when IB was in the top spot, I recall DA/VD were competing just fine. Without logging at mobs fully buffed. I also recall TMO getting mobs. There was a good amount of loot going each way.

Then a gm with obvious conflicts of interests ran IB off. DA went with TMO and game over. The raid scene has been fairly one sided ever since.

I also recall TMO immediately turning the spin/flame monster onto BDA after VD folded. Without provocation.

To the TMO people. Wouldn't you enjoy "the race" if you were competing against 4 other equally capable guilds?

We would enjoy the race. BDA was flamed because they absorbed IB/VD leftovers who were using a known Memblur exploit in VP.

[Origin]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone is forgetting what the server was like when IB was the top dog. Hint: the situation was the same, the characters and guildtags were just different.

Originally Posted by Sodapop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nah it wasn't.

we cleared kunark before you. we beat all the shit and everyone left. IB today is not IB/TR when kunark was released or classic.

we didn't sit around for 2 years hogging VP from everyone else. We beat that shit and moved on. Seeing all the TMO alts lot on last night with best in slot kinda made me sick. IB never had that, neither did TR.

in b4 we beat vp b4 u. nah u didn't Rogean made us give you those first kills, remember? You probably wern't there.

Just quoting my bro Sodapop's response to Rakpartha, from another thread.

Too much truth.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by kbnexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We would enjoy the race. BDA was flamed because they absorbed IB/VD leftovers who were using a known Memblur exploit in VP.

Alarti likes to leave out where a TMO member "acting on his own, much like Froovy/Internode, because plausible deniability" memblurred Talendor on VD first. The memblurring in VP was just giving TMO a taste of their own medicine, which of course they cried about.

[dwightgeary]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti likes to leave out where a TMO member "acting on his own, much like Froovy/Internode, because plausible deniability" memblurred Talendor on VD first. The memblurring in VP was just giving TMO a taste of their own medicine, which of course they cried about.

yea they were more pist off that they got out memblured