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Old 07-13-2013, 05:51 PM
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I don't even think he put on a very good show! He swoops in all dramatically with allegations of crazy cheating and whispers of RMT corruption at the very highest levels, and when he has his big reveal it turns out to be something you can do with a well known program that people have been using for years that he lied about using?

The real mystery to me is how almost half the people reading this thread actually believe him. C'mon... "I will be back, leaving with my fiancée to go to such and such wherever"? All this content free innuendo? It is great drama for sure, and the OP is sure enjoying himself, but it's like 10% truth with 90% froth.
Agreed the show itself was lacking, but was evidently good enough to get the attention of most of the online population. Granted I wasn't even interested in listening in til I heard Rogean was getting involved. If this guy really had more than packets to sling he wouldn't be so secretive and dishonest.
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Old 07-13-2013, 06:07 PM
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Quick question because I don't know much about this but... During that stream I saw in your chat log that sirken left the guild you were in and you said you were in TMO. Isn't sirken a GM? And if so... Why is he in TMO? Isn't this considered a conflict of interest? I mean I saw that same character in the same stream green name himself. Just curious.
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Old 07-13-2013, 06:10 PM
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Quick question because I don't know much about thid but... During that stream I saw in your chat log that sirken left the guild you were in and you said you were in TMO. Isn't sirken a GM? And if so... Why is he in TMO? Isn't this considered a conflict of interest? I mean I saw that same character in the same stream green name himself.
GM's routinely join guilds by using a GM command. This is done to effectively communicate with the entire guild at once. Once the GM is done conversing, they generally deguild and continue on with their duties.
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Old 07-13-2013, 06:11 PM
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GM's routinely join guilds by using a GM command. This is done to effectively communicate with the entire guild at once. Once the GM is done conversing, they generally deguild and continue on with their duties.
That would certainly explain it. Thanks!
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Old 07-13-2013, 06:26 PM
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Old 07-13-2013, 07:23 PM
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This all has been pretty intriguing. Good game Systolic I think you accomplished what you wanted to do. I don't know if its just me or if anyone else feels the same but:
-RMT - don't care; doesn't effect me.
-Hacks - don't care; doesn't effect me.
-GM RMT - don't care; doesn't effect me.
Maybe its just cause i casually play and don't raid or anything. All that aside it is been funny to watch/read the drama as it unfolds. I think that's why this is getting so much attention. Drama whores all of us.
This really needs to be debunked. RMT affects the entire server, including you. GM RMT (if it exists) fundamentally undermines the even playing field for anyone who wants to meaningfully progress i.e. it hamstrings the game, and does violence to the design. It also does affect you as it controls the economy and item value. This trickle down affect directly damages the lower game as well, and sets the tone of the entire server community.

Apart from that it's slimy and ugly. I'm willing to bet Nilbog takes a very dim view of it. If it became public knowledge that RMT was happening and was accepted by staff, half the server at least would leave for all these reasons. Also, the IRS would be quite interested, I imagine.
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Old 07-13-2013, 08:54 PM
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I would rather give the server staff the benefit of the doubt. Having a multi billion dollar company sue you into poverty would not be fun.
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Old 07-13-2013, 08:57 PM
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I would rather give the server staff the benefit of the doubt.
Same here, nilbog would not tolerate any sort of RMT or gm rmt. to think otherwise is a slap in his face and you should remove yourself from the server.

I think people are worried simply because there has been gm corruption in the past, and you know what? When big N and Rogean found out, they were gone.
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Old 07-13-2013, 08:57 PM
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That's not the point.

The point is that if there is someone "caught" that is a necessity for the people in the RMT ordeal, the GMs have a way to wriggle them out of getting in trouble.

Roegan and Sirken both made lots of exceptions yesterday and openly admitted that people could fall through the cracks. That isn't insignificant.
If all these things "aren't the point" why bother talking about them? It's such bullshit. You have issues man. You get caught using MQ and it's not the point. Your account was banned a week after you took it over. But that's not the point. Your "my friend quit and gave me stuff" was likely Stabbyjoe's RMT spoils, since you two seem to be friendly. But that's not the point. They have accounts flagged waiting to be banned, and you're complaining about some people not being banned yet who may be soon for all you know. But that's not the point either!!

Here's my point. The more you talk to the lower your support goes in this poll. Have you noticed that? The sad thing is I'm sure you think all of this makes sense. Hell, I'm sure out of everything above you'll only comment on Stabbyjoe being the friend. Although hopefully that changes since I'm saying that's what I expect. See, you can deny that one and we have no way to disprove you. So it's the easy way out.
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Old 07-13-2013, 10:11 PM
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If all these things "aren't the point" why bother talking about them? It's such bullshit. You have issues man. You get caught using MQ and it's not the point. Your account was banned a week after you took it over. But that's not the point. Your "my friend quit and gave me stuff" was likely Stabbyjoe's RMT spoils, since you two seem to be friendly. But that's not the point. They have accounts flagged waiting to be banned, and you're complaining about some people not being banned yet who may be soon for all you know. But that's not the point either!!

Here's my point. The more you talk to the lower your support goes in this poll. Have you noticed that? The sad thing is I'm sure you think all of this makes sense. Hell, I'm sure out of everything above you'll only comment on Stabbyjoe being the friend. Although hopefully that changes since I'm saying that's what I expect. See, you can deny that one and we have no way to disprove you. So it's the easy way out.
It didn't matter if I openly admitted to using MQ2 for my knife exploit or not. It doesn't change the overall message I am getting across. I didn't meet stabbyjoe until after I got the MQ2 hacks. The accounts that were using my exploit the TMO ones) have had access to them for a long long time, and if the system truly flags people who use them they would have been banned months ago.

My public reputation won't matter once everything is said and done. The same thing happened when I said I had exploits. My popularity plummeted until I followed through. The GMs got involved, spread their rhetoric, my popularity went down. I will deliver more soon and my popularity will go back up. I don't care about public opinion. I don't care about my accounts. I care about the people who are spending so much time and effort on a fraudulent operation that may be criminal in nature. They didn't make the server for you guys to have fun. They made the server, set some chosen people up to dominate the server, and propagated the population enough to allow real money to be made.

Sirken "IP Banned" me yesterday. What did he do to Platlord? Why is Platlord back so quickly? Why is Sirken choosing to turn a blind eye to RMT? Why does the issue of TMO using exploits get pushed aside in lieu of me being ambiguous about what kind of exploit program I was using?

Think about this rationally. What do I really have to gain here? I've already lost whatever I have to lose. I might not actually be out to get you, you know.
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