Bumamgar

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by Starklen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess you shouldn't sticky it and keep the title "Official Raid Rules" then.

Not to mention, since the person who posted those rules has been "banned" I disregarded that whole thread till yesterday when folks explained to me that those were the rules people were following in game.

I've read them, and frankly I think they are an overly complicated mess.

I anxiously await Nilbog's update to the official server rules.

However, until that time, I'll simply allow communication with opposing raid forces and fair play to dictate my actions in game. It's worked so far, and until proven otherwise, I see no reason to overly complicate things.

[Supreme]

I smell rotation.

[Detnogetsovs]

Originally Posted by whitebandit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how is this relevant? like... at all?

Why should it be relevant? like... already 12 pages of stupid noobs talking about stupid stuff.

I still feel sorry for all of you.

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[Jael]

Originally Posted by Ranger1930 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS GAME EVER EVER EVER EVER SAW GMS STEP IN ON PLAYER RAIDS.

Never on Xegony did this every happen. Not even when we woke up the sleeper . Even then they just waited till he wiped all the zones then they killed him and that was it.

Raids were just madness., you got your people there and you engaged them mob when you engaged it. if someone else came up with the people and attacked it before your raid did you got pissed and hoped they wiped.

Petitioning to a GM about it would result to him/her telling you tough luck.

These people coming up with all this rediculous speculations and time lines and 60 second roll galls. A 60 second roll call? WHat dumb ass started that idea. It takes me longer than 60 econds to take a piss.

Thats a joke. a 30 - 45 minute time window to put up or shut is one thing but that crap about swiping and taking stuff because of a 60 second Rollcall rule is horseshit.. If they gonna engage the mob in 60 seconds whether a raid is there before them or not they just need to man up engage it then loot their crap like the buncha dickheads they are and take the bad PR while not trying to make the other raid feel bad cause they in a Big F'n hurry to be the first ones no matter what.

I have to call Lies on the bolded part. Fess up, if IC wanted a mob, and another guild was there (let's say IS for example) - it was an ALL out battle royal of octagon proportions. There was /shouting /training /KSing /Ninja'ing and all manners of nastiness.

And it was AWESOME.

But let's not pretended it was all Lollipops, Sunshine and Rainbows, Mmmkay? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Maybe we should've had a 60 second roll call...(although like you, this makes zero sense to me). It may have prevented th emany times both guilds got kicked out of the zone(s) and Havenlight got to kill the mob(s) we wanted. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


Also, this means you were either Mantha or Aeon ?

[Reiker]

Originally Posted by whitebandit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yessir, i wasnt aware but thank you for clearing that up.. didnt know anything about the situation.. i just like proof for rumors people claim like that..

Not a rumor. A year or two or so ago, SoD went on a banning spree for hackers. GMs specifically stated that while many were banned (something like 4-5% of the server) Wrathful Inquisition was the only guild were basically everyone was using MQ. And then proceeded to ban everyone. Fun screenshot.

[Haynar]

I was skeptical about Bum being a Dev and playing on the server too. But after watching how he has done and especially thanks to this thread, I like him a lot more now.

Haynar

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to mention, since the person who posted those rules has been "banned" I disregarded that whole thread till yesterday when folks explained to me that those were the rules people were following in game.

I've read them, and frankly I think they are an overly complicated mess.

I anxiously await Nilbog's update to the official server rules.

However, until that time, I'll simply allow communication with opposing raid forces and fair play to dictate my actions in game. It's worked so far, and until proven otherwise, I see no reason to overly complicate things.

I anxiously await the new rules too.

That overly-complicated mess was because of all the ways people wanted to find to skirt the server rules. Simply that. It was an attempt to clarify raid targets, engagement...yada yada.

Without guild agreement and clarification on things, every Tom, Dick and Harry that sees a loophole in the server rules is going to use it.

That's why it's a seriously good idea to find player-based solutions - in the form a guild agreements - to gray areas. It makes GM participation much less necessary, and I think that's what's wanted.

Without agreement -let the petitions fly.

[Chicka]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was skeptical about Bum being a Dev and playing on the server too. But after watching how he has done and especially thanks to this thread, I like him a lot more now.

Haynar

Seriously I don't know why (especially being a dev yourself). It seems like there is little one could do to unfairly advantage yourself or your guild as a dev - particularly as it Rogean has pointed out, you don't even have access to live data.

Now me, I don't think I could resist giving all halflings exp every time a gnome died. But that's me.

[Humerox]

And a little addendum to what I said...

Quite a few of you weren't here for all the crying that was going on before the players decided that some sort of clarification on server rules was necessary. Every single raid had some sort of issue. Tons of QQ ensued. GM's were having to step in on nearly every raid. It was a mess then.

Things settled down a bit once everyone adapted the new rules. Until the camping issue.

Now we're going back to what was? Good luck to the GM's...hope your calendars are cleared and you don't plan on doing any coding or development. Or don't you remember how bad it was?

The only thing I can say is, I hope the amendment in the rules puts everything in black and white, because if it doesn't...we go back to the joy that was.

[Loke]

I just want to point out that the player created rules were quoted by GMs as justification for banning of certain members of Dark Ascension. Either enforce them, or don't - but to use them against DA and let WI slide in this instance doesn't semm right.

Bum, since you were asking about a source for whether or not GMs enforce them, there it is. The 2 golems in 50 minutes was cited a number of times by Cyrius as to why DA engaging Cazic Thule made him a contested mob, thus leading to the ban of two individuals.