Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lead GM stated he's looked at the pathing and stated that people should work it out themselves. CSR does not want to deal with the fraps and petitions that VP would bring. Maybe you guys could get them to push for 2 more guides to just watch VP raids, but I still think the best choice would be to push removing variance in VP to allow the nonTMOs to set up scheduled VP raids.

Sirken watching pathing is not the same as having two guilds inside racing for mobs.

I understand that the GM's don't want to deal with the endless petitions as things were before. I'm suggesting one night of re-evaluation especially as pathing has been changed since the rulest was put into place.

[Godefroi]

Keep variance, remove non classic trains = Contested VP, races, no-no life train war and no poopsock.

But, it's never gonna happen simply because TMO would make it hell, and basically other guilds would have to submit quite a big amount of frapses of TMO training for suspensions to happen to have the new rules enforced...And GMs either don't care, or have something else to do [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Vandy]

If they don't want to alter the training rule then how about an exception? Do not allow trains in VP unless you have an opposing raid force outside ready to zone in to make your move. This would force them to go for VP mobs first on repop days if another guild is making a move, instead of hitting all the outside bosses and train/delaying the raid in VP so they can clean it up later. Would open up more of the other spawns to other guilds and if they decide to go for outside mobs first, would give other guilds a shot at a few VP bosses.

Any thoughts?

p.s.
This would also prevent grief training when Velious comes out and VP does open up. New guilds will want to try VP and people who are assholes/bored has free pass to train them. That shouldn't be allowed.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Vandy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they don't want to alter the training rule then how about an exception? Do not allow trains in VP unless you have an opposing raid force outside ready to zone in to make your move. This would force them to go for VP mobs first on repop days if another guild is making a move, instead of hitting all the outside bosses and train/delaying the raid in VP so they can clean it up later. Would open up more of the other spawns to other guilds and if they decide to go for outside mobs first, would give other guilds a shot at a few VP bosses.

Any thoughts?

p.s.
This would also prevent grief training when Velious comes out and VP does open up. New guilds will want to try VP and people who are assholes/bored has free pass to train them. That shouldn't be allowed.

It's been happening for the entirety of VP so far.

[Razdeline]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's been happening for the entirety of VP so far.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Vandy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they don't want to alter the training rule then how about an exception? Do not allow trains in VP unless you have an opposing raid force outside ready to zone in to make your move. This would force them to go for VP mobs first on repop days if another guild is making a move, instead of hitting all the outside bosses and train/delaying the raid in VP so they can clean it up later. Would open up more of the other spawns to other guilds and if they decide to go for outside mobs first, would give other guilds a shot at a few VP bosses.

Any thoughts?

p.s.
This would also prevent grief training when Velious comes out and VP does open up. New guilds will want to try VP and people who are assholes/bored has free pass to train them. That shouldn't be allowed.

This was mainly my motivation behind this thread. I don't plan on going to VP until training isn't allowed there. I guess when TMO leaves the other guilds will have to come up with an agreement.

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Updated and Fixed are still two different things. Updated means it's simply changed and hopefully for the better, fixed means it's finished and at a desired and completely functioning state.

Again, pathing issues were reported on Day 1. Pathing is still nearly as horrid was it was then, as stated by Sirken.

As far as people not reporting it from inside TMO, I've already stated that they have (I know for a fact Perun posted a thread about it and several members of both guilds, IB and TMO, commented on it).

On a side note, it doesn't take any outside players to check the pathing in VP. After pathing updates, any GM/Guide/Dev could go into vp and test the updates.

It's quite clear you are commenting from a point of view that is severely lacking knowledge of the server and it's history.

That's a bold (and innacurate) assumption since you have no idea who I am. The only thing I care about however is getting the pathing fixed in a zone that has been released for almost 2 years so that there can be some modicum of normalcy that mirrors what occured on live. Crazy, I know.

If there is something else the players can do to help then I would like to be told so that we can all chip in. Whatever help TMO has provided has not been adequate enough. Sorry.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by timhutton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whatever help TMO has provided has not been adequate enough. Sorry.

Lol wut. You are blaming TMO for pathing problems? Gtfo.

[timhutton]

Is that what I said? You must be slow.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by timhutton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a bold (and innacurate) assumption since you have no idea who I am. The only thing I care about however is getting the pathing fixed in a zone that has been released for almost 2 years so that there can be some modicum of normalcy that mirrors what occured on live. Crazy, I know.

If there is something else the players can do to help then I would like to be told so that we can all chip in. Whatever help TMO has provided has not been adequate enough. Sorry.

Training happened in VP on live. Normalcy wasn't VP on live. Very few guilds got in before Velious. So what is normal?