Bard swarm kiting that kills other players

[big league chew]

just snare or root the bard
shits ez

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Conky [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, its more then 3 zones add loio, SK , NK, EK and a few more the main problem is that most bards are very bad at it and kill people.

Don't forget EJ and FM...or any zone that has mobs that aren't casters.

Honestly though, these threads are a circle jerk that pop up every other month or so.

[Weekapaug]

So fearing the mobs in the kite will do what?

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So fearing the mobs in the kite will do what?

Makes the mobs go boom in all directions. Basically destroys the kite and can easily get the bard killed. I'm pretty sure you could get in trouble with this though; it's sort of the same type of interruption as training a player with intent.

Obviously, debate will go back and forth saying that bards are disrupting/disturbing players the same way that training/fearing someone's mobs is, but staff sort of looks the other way with bard kiting and has a definite opinion on training or harassing other players' mobs while they are engaged.

The debate is a circle jerk. Staff have not cared about people's complaints in the past about bard kiting. Honestly, I think they view issues like this as a case by case basis in regards to the specific players.

Should no bards be allowed to kite or only those be allowed that take a reasonable amount of mobs and are courteous to other players? I mean the whole thing is sort of silly and difficult to police.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Sarius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I always thought that on live low hp kiting was not possible because if a player had agro on more than 4 mobs, the fifth, sixth, etc. would run back and forth and act erraticly.

No idea. I didn't play a bard back on classic live. By the time I played a bard, kiting had been nerfed...but that was in a later expansion than Velious. No idea how to verify whether or not low-hp kiting was viable on classic. I've never even read about it before anywhere online. When I figured it out on the server a little over a year ago, it sort of seemed hush hush. However, since then, there has been an explosion in people knowing about the mechanic and using it; hence, this thread pops up every other month.

I mean dang, low-hp aggro even messes up different bards in the zone. If one bard runs his mobs through yours and he goes hp, all of your mobs snap off you.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should no bards be allowed to kite or only those be allowed that take a reasonable amount of mobs and are courteous to other players? I mean the whole thing is sort of silly and difficult to police.

Well, I rather enjoyed AoE kiting with my bard live...always did it in empty zones out of anyone's way....'till it got nerfed for everyone when a handful of bards were monopolizing PoF during primetime constantly. That was a very popular exp zone at the time and they were making the "front page news" so to speak with it enough that it got nerfed for all of us.

It could be policed by doing what was done on live....Nerfing the dots. Not saying they should but, yeah, there's live precident for it. Not classic, but neither is entire zones constantly being disrupted and monopolized by a few bards. No one AoE kited until much later and if they did, very few people even knew about it. I played A TON of EQ up till around GoD or so...The first I ever heard of bard AoE kiting was when Stromm went live and the first handful of players to get to top level were bards who AoE'd...This would have been around LDoN or LoY, or maybe even early GoD...I seem to remember 70 being top level at the time, but I could be wrong about that...I do remember it was spring/summer of '03 for sure tho. WAY past Velious. I don't even think swarming was really happening until PoP or later. People were charm kiting, for sure, but not the mass swarms that came later and there were, still, very few people doing it, and because it was conditional on the degree of social aggro of the mobs you were swarming, it wasn't a major problem in every zone. I came back around OoW or early DoN and the AoE nerf had just happened...That's when swarming kind of took over. Point being, these are techniques that came after the scope of this server. The nerf might have come later, but so did this type of kiting to begin with...and come it did.

Bards who enjoy AoE kiting would do well to remember that the squeeky wheel tends to get the grease. For the sake of their class and their enjoyment of it they might be a bit more concientious of what they are doing. If they keep training people and disrupting normal play, that undoubtably creates a heavier /petition load for the staff to deal with it. There ARE a lot of unclassic things on this server that exist for the intent of preserving a classic experience...no boxing even though boxing existed, for example. People boxed during classic, for sure, but it was nowhere near as popular and didn't have the impact on grouping that it did later. So the fix here was to outright ban boxing altogether from the start. An un-classic fix to keep the server classic.

The entire problem goes away with one simple nerf.

[kaev]

The dickweeds causing most of the disruption would probably be more than happy causing a bard nerf. Sure, they'd put up a bold front of whining and umadbro, all the while fapping madly and telling themselves how awesome it is that they only needed one flashlight this time to find their dick in the massive folds of blubber. Griefplay is griefplay, ban the practice, ban the assholes, and a glorious sunrise of whateverthefuckelsepeoplewanttowhineaboutnext would dawn over Norrath.

v0v

[senna]

At the end of the day its causing more harm than good for the server. The moving mob DoT nerf for bards should probably be implimented soon.

The way things stand now, having every outdoor zone monopolized by swarming bards is not classic.

[zanderklocke]

I think low-hp aggro should be nerfed before nerfing AE kiting. Low-hp aggro is the reason there are do many bards at all times AE leveling. There is no risk to do it, and it has the ability to screw up everyone else's aggro on mobs in zone. I'll admit that I did it a bunch last summer to level up because I wasn't that good at AE kiting at the time due to lag. However, with low-hp aggro working how it does there is no reason why people wouldn't level up as a bard doing it, hence so many bards...super easy to hit level 50.

Without low hp aggro, BW, DL, FM, and EJ can't even really be used to level up by bards.

However, my personal stance is that it none of this should be nerfed unless it is proven to not be classic; I just think the ability to low-hp kite as a duo should be removed before the classic feature of solo AE kiting is.

Petition if you believe a player is intentionally disrupting a zone.

[Broomfondle]

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