Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[kotton05]

^ usually each generation has a little revolution to buck the system but being time locked in kunark means we are stuck and it ain't changing till the dolorian's flux capacitor is fixed.

[Borador]

100 pages, might as well comment again...

Griefers are assholes. The only retaliation to griefers should be a report and a ban. This covers more than just training in VP. Rule #1 for making the internet a better place, don't be a dick.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously an unscientific poll proves nothing. Can you prove that Taslehoff didn't maybe 240 accounts to vote in this thread? Derp.

Yes, log into one of your alt accounts and try to vote. Derp

[FenninEQaddict]

Blue should go Red for a week see how many people survive that.

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, log into one of your alt accounts and try to vote. Derp

Ok I just did.. it worked.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by velioussales99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there is a little crew of people (TMO) defending the current state of VP, even though it's non classic.

The staff agrees current rules are bullshit, but do not want to deal with the headache making VP non trainable would induce.

Why?

Because TMO would carry on training in VP and make it impossible for GMs to enforce rules.

Why?

Because without VP, there is absolutely no reason to be in TMO.

You idiots think TMO holds some power over GMs. If GMs wanted to, they could easily straight fuck TMO off the server for noncompliance on rules.

GMs don't want to deal with having to figure out if guild < Craptastic raiders who bitch and moan daily > just trained themselves and petitioned it as if TMO did it or if TMO actually did have a member train them either on purpose or on accident. This also applies to TMO (though they would be less inclined to do it now compared to when they were fighting IB/TR). Why don't they want to do it in this zone compared to other zones? Well, that is because the pathing in VP is still horrid.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by FenninEQaddict [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its funny I was looking at all your posts and how much you bash TMO

I'm genuinely curious to see this huge flood of posts bashing TMO.

[JayN]

bunch of micro penis having whiny fagits, they dont train everyone that goes there... Hell ive even seen them award loot to another guild!

this thread is reeking fresh fish.

try diplomacy and respect rather then just crying your bitch eyes out on the forums, would probably get you a lot further.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You idiots think TMO holds some power over GMs. If GMs wanted to, they could easily straight fuck TMO off the server for noncompliance on rules.

How did you read that into what he said? anyway

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GMs don't want to deal with having to figure out if guild < Craptastic raiders who bitch and moan daily > just trained themselves and petitioned it as if TMO did it or if TMO actually did have a member train them either on purpose or on accident. This also applies to TMO (though they would be less inclined to do it now compared to when they were fighting IB/TR). Why don't they want to do it in this zone compared to other zones? Well, that is because the pathing in VP is still horrid.

What is so unique about this zone that it's impossible to fix the pathing issues? I realise recently they did try to make changes to how the pathing in there works and it appears it hasn't made much difference. SO what gives.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How did you read that into what he said? anyway



What is so unique about this zone that it's impossible to fix the pathing issues? I realise recently they did try to make changes to how the pathing in there works and it appears it hasn't made much difference. SO what gives.

Training being allowed there makes it impossible for GM's to acquire legitimate info from multiple guilds regarding the state of the zone. Training isn't classic, wasn't allowed on live in VP despite what many people on this server seem to think. There is tons of proof that training was never allowed by GM's on live. Did it happen? Sure, but if it was proven to be intentional severe punishments were handed to entire guilds.


NON-CSR DOESNT MEAN FREE FOR ALL. It didn't even mean that GM's wouldn't enforce the PNP there. All it meant was you enter at your own risk, and if you happen to die and lose your corpse the GM's wouldn't help you retrieve it. Plane of Fear/Hate/Sky were all also tagged non-CSR, so why isn't training allowed in those zones as well on p99? Just seems like a very contradictory stance regarding classic/non classic implementations on the raid scene to allow training in VP when it certainly wasn't allowed on live.

I understand the whole "GM's don't want 3x more petitions for VP every week" argument, but what is going to happen come velious when there are about 20 times more raid targets? Already there is talk of allowing training in Sleeper's tomb/NTov (not classic) and that would be super unfortunate for the server if training was continued to be allowed moving forward into velious.