T99 and Item Loot Poll

[Kelsar]

just make resists right and all is good in the world...

[SamwiseRed]

i went on live and to gauge the interest. besides being dead as fuck the four players who werent afk said nah to item loot.

note: the four players may very well have been boxed, god damn zek is a true ghost town.

[Knawga]

alot of the people from Rallos have long quit since they removed item loot that was the saddest day of Eq history im super stoked and have tons of people coming to play cuz item loot will be on this server

[Knawga]

as far as hacking goes ive seen alot less hacking on p99 red than ive ever seen on live props to the gms who actually care about they servers and removing toxic people who hack +1

[Pudge]

o snap. ITEM LEWT

keep it neutered though. blues (yea, all those ppl we're trying to attract by opening a teams server) will be griefed off left and right if it's not severely toned down. item loot didnt even work on vztz, pop significantly declined each time it was put in



.........but hell, there was never a greater way to farm T-crowns than by exploding Twoclose!

[Kazinsky]

Just want to say I really enjoy reading the threads/thoughts of Vexenu and Aenor.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every EQ PvP Server Ever = literally half the server rolls Druids and Wizards and port around naked looking for easy ganks. The other half of the server zone plugs instantly when PvP that isn't overwhelmingly in their favor goes down.

Fixed that for you pal.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a reason that item loot debuted on RZ but was never implemented on the later PvP servers. It's just about the worst feature possible in a game that is all about acquiring gear.

Played Tallon Zek early on live. We had item loot. It was amazing. Running around naked with Fine Steel Two Handers pushing the darkies out of Freeport and the Commonlands. When there is no item loot everyone is 100% resistant to everything and melee are gods so crying about naked casters is silly. You only wear what you can afford to lose.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine if one of your items was randomly deleted each time you died in PvE? Would anyone clamor to play on that ruleset? Of course not. It would be fucking retarded.

Imagine if we stopped and thought about how item loot could be fun. Eve Online destroys your gear and allows people to loot it. Game has been going strong for many years. Item loot would be fine if people would stop screaming bloody murder every time it is mentioned.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And it's no less stupid to lose items in PvP. All it does is encourage extremely lame tactics and running away. Item loot turns a PvP server into a gank and run server.

They will do that with or without item loot, just like they will plug and exploit with or without item loot. Losing items in PvP actually makes PvP meaningful. People are opposed to losing equipment (and I get it no one wants to lose their poopsocked items) so I have some ideas:

Broaden the range of un-lootable slots (Primary/Secondary/Range/Ammo) to include non-jewelry pieces (see where I'm going with this).

If we want to throw looting equipment out then explore other options like:

Allow players to loot bags - the entire thing and its contents. This is a lot less painful than losing equipped items, but still worthwhile imo.

• So you steal their food/water - now they have to buy more (but you just took all their money).
• You steal their reagents - they can no longer rezz, rune, summon pets, etc.
• If you are lucky you will get a nice gem or junk loot.

We can make item loot work and make it fun.

[pharmakos]

is a halfling druid going to be able to loot a helm of rile off of an iksar, even though no one on his team will be able to use it?

^ random example, there are probably better examples

[Bazia]

god cant wait to make a wizard

[Vexenu]

I don't get this idea that PvP without item loot is not meaningful. Killing and Dying isn't meaningful? Mass PvP for raid mobs isn't meaningful? Zone control isn't meaningful? Pride/reputation isn't meaningful? How does looting a piece of resist jewelry or something even less valuable (95% of the time at least) suddenly make PvP more meaningful?

I killed a lot of people on SZ with no item loot. I didn't need the incentive. PvP was fun by itself. The challenge, the risk, the thrill. Sure, some will say those things are enhanced by item loot - and this can be true. But more often than not item loot has the opposite effect, and makes people more risk averse and cowardly than they would be otherwise.

The bottom line is that item loot basically takes EQ PvP and puts it on steroids. It's just way too hardcore for most players' tastes. A vocal minority will love it, but the majority want nothing to do with it. And this, more than any other reason, is why item loot is a bad idea: it's simply unpopular. If for some reason the reverse were true, and item loot was extremely popular while I personally hated it, I would put my weight behind item loot regardless of how I personally felt, simply because more than anything else Teams needs as many players as possible.

[jestingoff02]

Good team all the way if i even play t99