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[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Hawala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We brought up the possibility of completely disbanding The Mystical Order. Personally, I find it hard to believe that TMO leadership was not aware or suspicious of this happening.

Get rid of this scourge on our server.

i smell personal bias. go take a shower and wash it off.

reread this bit Hawala - dont just pick and choose which parts to let your brain digest. this thread doesn't exist for you to spin things in a way in which you prefer. this thread exists to let the community know that duping will not be tolerated. that duping can and will get you AND your friends in trouble. and that sharing info is always dangerous.

err.. we can tell who is who, and we can tell who is on who's account, so i dont see how that matters. as far as not allowing more than one account, theres really no way to stop someone from making email addys and creating new eqemu accounts. as far as people not being allowed to reroll, you're missing the point. we are banning the accounts, not the people. most of the people did absolutely nothing wrong other than share their info. most of the accounts weren't even used in a malicious manner, just simply the guy logged in to rezz or port a friend. and Rogean even addresses that when he says;

[dwightgeary]

i bet this was a virtual blowjob for ephi ? be honest sirken .. what was his reaction when ya told em

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by dwightgeary [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im sure they did a huge server sweep before making a announcement like this..... nobody is out to get TMO ... TMO was just on the radar more than others but it would probably be fair if you released some info on the other accounts that were banned ?

yeah, i'm really curious about who the 20 non-TMO accounts were

in the sake of fairness, should the guild tags from those accounts be publicly disclosed?

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and that sharing info is always dangerous.

I guess I have trouble seeing this aspect. It almost seems as if sharing info is a means of insulating accounts from the harshest punishments. I think there is a sense that staff is hesitant to ban large swaths of players, so evildoers can spread their deeds out and when the hammer comes down it does so on only a select few fall-guys.

I'm not meaning to suggest any complicity by staff. Rather, I don't envy the decisions you guys are forced to make, at all.

Personally though, I'd favor less shades of gray and more zero tolerance. I don't feel like I've ever seen an example made of anyone around here. I think more people need to realize it's a privilege to play on P99 -- particularly some of the people who play the most. Walk the line or get bant. No mercy; no more shades of gray.

[Hawala]

Sirken. Why are you sticking up for those jerks? I'm not really picking and choosing pieces, it's called quoting. And it's not even taking anything out of context. TMO is trash.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess I have trouble seeing this aspect. It almost seems as if sharing info is a means of insulating accounts from the harshest punishments. I think there is a sense that staff is hesitant to ban large swaths of players, so evildoers can spread their deeds out and when the hammer comes down it does so on only a select few fall-guys.

I'm not meaning to suggest any complicity by staff. Rather, I don't envy the decisions you guys are forced to make, at all.

Personally though, I'd favor less shades of gray and more zero tolerance. I don't feel like I've ever seen an example made of anyone around here. I think more people need to realize it's a privilege to play on P99 -- particularly some of the people who play the most. Walk the line or get bant. No mercy; no more shades of gray.

sharing doesnt give u protection because we can see who did what on each account. theres no really no way around that. and we aren't going to ban innocent people. we are however going to try and use this as an example of what can happen when you share your info. Any account that was in fact used for malicious purposes will remain banned. the only accounts that will have their bans knocked back to suspensions are the ones we can prove were not used to dupe.

Originally Posted by Hawala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirken. Why are you sticking up for those jerks? I'm not really picking and choosing pieces, it's called quoting. And it's not even taking anything out of context. TMO is trash.

i stand up for fairness and for justice. Rogean clearly said it was limited to a few people, and that most of the banned accounts are innocent and were not involved in the duping. to you that translates as GuildA is full of scumbags and should be removed from the server, but in actuality thats not even remotely close to what was said.

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i stand up for fairness and for justice.

I love it when you talk dirty.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sharing doesnt give u protection because we can see who did what on each account. theres no really no way around that. and we aren't going to ban innocent people.

I get what you mean, it just seems contradictory to me. I think it's because I have a hard time seeing someone who shares their account as purely innocent. There's a lot of reward in sharing and not a commensurate amount of risk, imo. I think that's revealed in the sheer volume of accounts some individuals can access. People aren't afraid enough of losing their stuff. Man this server needs some fear. I hope this does it.

Thanks for clarifying, Sirken. Best of luck to you dudes.

[Heebo]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogean clearly said it was limited to a few people, and that most of the banned accounts are innocent and were not involved in the duping. to you that translates as GuildA is full of scumbags and should be removed from the server, but in actuality thats not even remotely close to what was said.

[Missingo]

How many accounts were purchased with the dupe? Accounts that allowed them to dominate the raid scene for what seems like forever