OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

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Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tbh there is no way to enforce anything with out gm intervention; they needs to stop taking a hands off approach. this has been aa good way to divert attention away from VELIOUS's delay; which would fix pretty much everything!

We need gms very hands on in this process as well as some staff always around during off hours for any of this to be serious.

for the sake of the fairness they desire

Staff seem to be willing to enforce whatever the majority of the server want implemented, however they don't seem to be willing to adjust server mechanics atm.

I'm sure if a guild council is established and then the guild council deems a guild as breaking the rules in a majority that the staff would look into it as well and then hand down punishment that the players have agreed upon and accepted.

Every guild would have to be subject to penalties that they choose for themselves, I see no reason why the staff wouldn't hold them to their own agreed choices.

[Magicant]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Impossible for established guilds. Strictures would cause implosions and create more guilds vying for the same content. Keep in mind that demand for content is generally based around the number of guilds killing a mob not the number of players in each guild.

Thats the issue brother.

maintaining a guild of 100 raiders is not fun, not productive. I would really enjoy 3 more raiding guilds with 25 Solid players who are trying to achieve perfection and the best raid strats etc. When you get people really trying hard to maximum kills with low numbers you will bring the community together rather than just try to LOLZERG.

I know that there would be no stall tanking, FTE sniping, etc cause you cannot engage unless u are 100% ready.


To be honest, Id rather just rotate everything so I can have fun trying to be the "best" gamer i can be rather than throwing warm bodies at encounters. 95% of all raiders on this server are unhappy. I would guess we can make a lot more people have a lot more fun by limiting the zerg and pushing for a skill based system.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Let Lron declare Jihad. And have them run this agreement by a 'council' of p99 players who aren't really invested in the raid scene. Get some impartiality here, and some transparency.

And some answers.

That being said, this is an interesting social experiment going on.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[heals4reals]

Originally Posted by heals4reals [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do I get my guild on the raid rotation if it's not one of the ones listed on OP?

[benjay]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure the devs could, if they had a vested interest in keeping things peaceful after such an agreement was worked out.

If this was a perfect world where the players and devs put an equal effort into the game this would probably work, but unfortunately as been proven by actions, the devs are not as devoted to the game as the players are (this is in no way meant to be insulting to the devs, they do a fantastic job its just a unrealistic goal) and the players will always be one step ahead, thats how life works.

[Visual]

Gonna be a lot of smaller guilds sprouting up and they're going to want targets too.

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Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...do you realize how much work an investigation like this entails?

And what about guilds who are legitimately splitting? How do you tell if it's a real split or just a points ploy?

These are things that need to be thought about thoroughly and a solid plan for how you would proceed if a situation like this occurs needs to be in place.

Every guild has people that want to adhere to the rules. There isn't a guild on this server that doesn't have people like that in it and don't want to cover for the others in the guild who aren't like that.

Basically, there isn't a guild on this server that could pull that off without it getting out. TMO has already been made an example when it comes to this, 2 players nearly killed the entire guild with staff punishment. As long as the next rule breakers will be treated more severely than that (considering they'd be doing this as a guild) then I doubt you'll see the problem ever arise.

[Hitpoint]

This all happened because guilds were monopolizing content. They agree to straight up give away mobs, like all the time. And people are outraged at such an insult and want so much more. Can't even believe what I'm reading tonight.

I thought it was going too far to back off completely on those priority mobs for a week. No waiting period, no exceptions. Not to mention draco and Talendor are still huge targets for us. We still have to compete with TMO for anything that we kill while nobody else does. I'm going to have to look into this points system or whatever you guys are talking about. I don't know how it can be worse for us then this proposal.

[heals4reals]

Originally Posted by Visual [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gonna be a lot of smaller guilds sprouting up and they're going to want targets too.

[Yinikren]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This all happened because guilds were monopolizing content. They agree to straight up give away mobs, like all the time. And people are outraged at such an insult and want so much more. Can't even believe what I'm reading tonight.

I thought it was going too far to back off completely on those priority mobs for a week. No waiting period, no exceptions. Not to mention draco and Talendor are still huge targets for us. We still have to compete with TMO for anything that we kill while nobody else does.

Stop, this isn't worth fighting for. There's not enough good material in this pile to even bother saving.

"Giving up a weeks worth of mobs was tough on us." Really? Just stop. Bump a proposal that doesn't favor the top end.. Again.