New raid rule - whats everyones feeling on this?

[botrainer]

A new raid rule id like see discussed some is Trackers not being pullers too.

It appears some guilds fully exploit this by monk face tracking mobs one eating DT other wirldwind until support can arrive...awhile also causing massive amount of training at others in the zone. Im confused how trains make it to the zone in. but it something I wanna see discussed.

[Pheer]

some people just like to poop in socks man

[botrainer]

Its just something that should be discussed. Using the tracker to face track and pull as well takes the race part out of it all(which is why new raid rules were enforced to start with).

Since FTE messages makes guilds back up some with raid bans easily handed out no one wants to violate the rules with FTE but manipulating a way to get FTE messages should be a clear violation. As the 2 people tagging the mob is NOT a force to kill the mob but a way to stall for 30 to 40 seconds until help shows up. This should be illegal and treated as such the 3 FFA Innys Ive been on have worked just like this.

I could be misunderstanding the whole reason why only 2 trackers are to be in zone when mob spawns but I feel using the trackers to earn FTE massages is manipulating the rules to gain an advantage.

[Nietche]

The new rules don't help the low tiered guilds. The only thing Class R guilds get is a shot at stuff they could never take in a FFA or Class C scenario. In fact, the way the Class C scenario goes with one of two guilds' taking the dragon dis-incentivizes any ambition of Class R guilds to even try to become Class C status because all Class R guilds know that once they become Class C, they'll never get a shot at any dragon again, ever.

This isn't a flame. It's pretty much a fact. Class R guilds are incentivized to stay that way because at least they'll get a decent shot at something in a given week.

My first paragraph is intended to show the staff that if their intention was to level the playing field, you respectfully failed. All you did was incentivize the lower tiered guilds to stay that way (i.e., not progress) and incentivize the top end guilds to acquire as many members as possible to provide a "zerg force" every Saturday. Worse, now that we can plan for nearly all dragons to respawn every Saturday, top end guilds can plan to get their zerg forces online 1 day a week. Even Class R guilds who have ambitions to become a Class C guild will never get a Trakanon, which is the premier gateway to VP.

This is not to say that so-called Class R guilds had a chance at a Trakanon before (except maybe BDA), but it is to say that if the intent of the new raid rules was to make the raid scene better--by increasing the capacity for low tiered guilds to have a shot at high end, I don't think that intent came to fruition. Nor do I think it will.

That being said, I agree with the OP, given the current raid rules, regarding not allowing a tracker to also take an FTE for the guild knowing that they can buy the said guild a couple of minutes or more (Fay, Sev, and balcony VP dragons) while they port/log in. In this case, there is no race. It's whomever is fastest on the jav.

I think where we have 207 people in zone covering about 5 guilds for a Sev pop that not allowing face trackers to take an FTE would be a good start to promoting a sense that Class R guilds actually have a chance. The two Class C guilds who have been vying for FTE against other guilds for years (and are thus more practiced at the poop socking while clicking a jav button repeatedly) are likely never going to give up a FFA dragon unless they just don't show up.

[Squire]

raid rules?

roll on red, pvp for mobs.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by botrainer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its just something that should be discussed. Using the tracker to face track and pull as well takes the race part out of it all(which is why new raid rules were enforced to start with).

Since FTE messages makes guilds back up some with raid bans easily handed out no one wants to violate the rules with FTE but manipulating a way to get FTE messages should be a clear violation. As the 2 people tagging the mob is NOT a force to kill the mob but a way to stall for 30 to 40 seconds until help shows up. This should be illegal and treated as such the 3 FFA Innys Ive been on have worked just like this.

I could be misunderstanding the whole reason why only 2 trackers are to be in zone when mob spawns but I feel using the trackers to earn FTE massages is manipulating the rules to gain an advantage.

IB pulled tal with 7 in zone. IB duo'd dracoliche with their trackers. IB javspammed PD just like we did for like 5 hours. Not sure there's really a way around this if FTE is still going to be a thing ~

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB pulled tal with 7 in zone. IB duo'd dracoliche with their trackers. IB javspammed PD just like we did for like 5 hours. Not sure there's really a way around this if FTE is still going to be a thing ~

Guilds didn't always used to use face trackers, you know. TMO, for instance, only used a face tracker for one dragon and that was because Fay was a million miles from Ogre Island. If TMO ever face tracked in VP (TMO did sometimes), those face trackers were not used to immediately FTE. BP's were sent; people logged on; pullers ran up; etc.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guilds didn't always used to use face trackers, you know. TMO, for instance, only used a face tracker for one dragon and that was because Fay was a million miles from Ogre Island. If TMO ever face tracked in VP (TMO did sometimes), those face trackers were not used to immediately FTE. BP's were sent; people logged on; pullers ran up; etc.

It was, until PD got super competitive here the last few months. Once javspam began, everything else started falling into place.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was, until PD got super competitive here the last few months. Once javspam began, everything else started falling into place.

Yeah it's progressively gotten worse. I remember when TMO didn't even log at trak when it was in window. They raced from KC.

[Nietche]

This is actually a thought-->making everyone race from KC haha.