Pantheon

[thefloydian]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Surely this is a joke? Does someone seriously expect to make a AAA-quality MMORPG, today, for that price? EQ cost more than that in the mid-late 90's and launched in a condition that'd be guaranteed failure today.

Danth

I don't know who Triple-A it was ever going to be, but i'm more amazed that he thinks someone would give him that much money.

[Danth]

I haven't followed development closely so if there was never any plan of competing at the AAA-grade level, that would make more sense.

Danth

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by thefloydian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty sure $150k should have gotten them more...

I'm no defender of Brad, but $150k barely turns the lights on.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Surely this is a joke? Does someone seriously expect to make a AAA-quality MMORPG, today, for that price? EQ cost more than that in the mid-late 90's and launched in a condition that'd be guaranteed failure today.

Danth

Developing EQ today would take considerably less time and therefore programmer budget today. It's really not a valid comparison

[thefloydian]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm no defender of Brad, but $150k barely turns the lights on.

There are no lights to turn on. The people on the team were all working from home, and most of them weren't getting paid shit. You really think putting together a shitty unity demo with an underpaid team of 11 people should eat through 150k in one month?

This is a quote from another forum

Vhalen is on Ktam radio right now and said straight up that he doesn't blame the fans for wanting a charge back. He said the entire team was blind sided by Brad's announcement and he is very disappointed. For those that don't know, Vhalen is one of the few devs that actually did work. He is the lore guy. He also said that he was paid very low for the work he did and thats fine. Much respect for him at least.

Brad also admitted in a recent interview to not even really knowing how much money has come in, and that the number on the web site probably isn't right. This is a complete clusterfuck and anyone who says otherwise either hasn't paid attention or is a giant McQuaid homer.

[Fawqueue]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Surely this is a joke? Does someone seriously expect Brad McQuaid to make a AAA-quality MMORPG, today? 200 pounds of cocaine cost more than it did in the mid-late 90's and his mental health is in a condition that'd be guaranteed failure no matter what.

Danth

I fixed it to be more accurate.

[Ennewi]

Yes KickStarter is the online equivalent to that claw game at the arcade. No that doesn't mean great titles can't come from it as a result. It's just very unlikely and you'd better have a shitton of tokens.

It is interesting though, the fact that the same people responsible for a game (EQ) that was notorious for being a pita, are themselves now having a pita time trying create a new game that will essentially be a pita.

It's likely that a large number of potential players have lost or will probably lose interest with Pantheon and play other games in the interim, similar to the way a lot of players gave up on EQ the first time they logged on and died. But imo the majority of them will return eventually when/if Pantheon is fleshed out, just like the majority of first-time EQ players eventually logged back on after taking an extended break because, even though it fucked with your emotions and required a lot of time and effort, eventually there were moments in EQ where all of that was worth it. Right now it's just a matter of grinding through the timesink and seeing if Pantheon will level up beyond the newbie yard or die and never get a rez.

TL;DR
Get facts. Too early for facts? Do something more productive with your time than speculating, or otherwise risk becoming what CNN was when covering the missing Malaysian Airliner -- ridiculous.

[thefloydian]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes KickStarter is the online equivalent to that claw game at the arcade. No that doesn't mean great titles can't come from it as a result. It's just very unlikely and you'd better have a shitton of tokens.

It is interesting though, the fact that the same people responsible for a game (EQ) that was notorious for being a pita, are themselves now having a pita time trying create a new game that will essentially be a pita.

It's likely that a large number of potential players have lost or will probably lose interest with Pantheon and play other games in the interim, similar to the way a lot of players gave up on EQ the first time they logged on and died. But imo the majority of them will return eventually when/if Pantheon is fleshed out, just like the majority of first-time EQ players eventually logged back on after taking an extended break because, even though it fucked with your emotions and required a lot of time and effort, eventually there were moments in EQ where all of that was worth it. Right now it's just a matter of grinding through the timesink and seeing if Pantheon will level up beyond the newbie yard or die and never get a rez.

TL;DR
Get facts. Too early for facts? Do something more productive with your time than speculating, or otherwise risk becoming what CNN was when covering the missing Malaysian Airliner -- ridiculous.

Sorry to interrupt your minor-league Daily Show impression, but this is an interesting story because A.) It honestly looks like some shady shit is going on, and B.) Regardless of any moral/ethical failings, this is surely the end of McQuaid's career in the gaming industry save for some miracle millionaire with a heart of gold.

[thefloydian]

http://173.193.205.96:2197/ondemand/...014%202014.mp3

The whole thing is pretty interesting, but the part where one of the devs questions where the money went and explains that he wasn't' paid shit is around 1:14:00

[Swish]

1:06:00 ...good place to start,