Twin Ninja Looter

[Shodo]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Umm, both sides of the argument have confirmed that it did indeed happen, just with slightly differing account of events. You post would be like if your girlfriend and best friend came to you and told you they hooked up, but both claiming they were drunk and taken advantage of by the other party, and you responding with "but can you prove you guys hooked up?" Neither side is denying the hook up (much like neither side is denying the cloak was looted then not rolled on), so your post is dumb and you should feel bad about it. No wonder your hypothetical girlfriend cheated on you with your hypothetical best friend.

"Pics or it didn't happen" is a turn of phrase, and should not be interpreted too literally. The "it" in this case refers to the details of the event, not the whole of the event itself. I thought that would be clear from the context of the thread (since, as you've said, no one is denying the cloak was looted then not rolled on), but I apologize if it wasn't.

My point was simply that, without screenshots or chat logs, it's still a case of "he said, she said" in regards to whether:

A) Twin is a ninja looter, hands-down, who looted and ran (there have been conflicting statements from the other group members as to whether he was kicked or left on his own).

or

B) Twin is a party member who made the mistake of looting without rolling, but was willing to stick around and discuss the matter until he was kicked by a disgruntled group that had no interest in communicating.

Given that he's been on the server since 2010, it seems unlikely that be's entirely innocent. However, it still sounds like it may not be a case of plain-and-simple ninja looting; so, if that's what the OP is claiming, screenshots or chat logs would be helpful for some one that is concerned with the finer points of what happened. He is of course in no way obligated to provide them, but without something to clear up the confusion this may as well be in RnF.

[Loke]

You really shouldn't need details beyond what Twin, Erectus and the other members of this group have posted in this thread to figure out Twin is in the wrong. I guess that is why I assumed your "pics or it didn't happen" was such an off base comment.

[phacemeltar]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really shouldn't need details beyond what Twin, Erectus and the other members of this group have posted in this thread to figure out Twin is in the wrong. I guess that is why I assumed your "pics or it didn't happen" was such an off base comment.

i think the question at hand is whether or not ninja-looting is an offense worthy of GM intervention

[Daldaen]

The most shocking thing about this thread was that a level appropriate group was able to kill him and Hydro wasn't camping it for his 200th HBC.

[Aabdel]

Originally Posted by Erectus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ this is the kind of attitude that this guild brings to the server. and that's how they acted in group. Like I said, why was the cleric rolling on the HBC?

as a member of Storm Watch, I just have to say that this behavior, whether it happened as you claim or not, is not representative of the guild. Regardless of how ass backwards your justification is for the loot and scoot, it could have been resolved in a civil manner, and that's something I can safely say 98% of the guild would have done (though your pal refusing to roll on it would certainly make that more difficult). Because it is also a noob friendly guild, however, you will see people who don't know what the hell they're doing, and if that is the case I'm sorry if your friend has been wrongly shamed. But I gotta say it really doesn't sound all that likely

[Raistin]

Originally Posted by eqgmrdbz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really, I can't believe all the mistakes that where made. Yes, you need to establish looting rules when you join a group, either as a new member, say "what are the looting rules", or as the group leader explain the looting rules to new members.

First anything valuable requires a /roll, even if you are FFA'ing, i would still say "should we roll for this sweet item?". Second, if you do not need the item, do not /roll for it, that just makes you look like a dick. If no one needs the item, then you /roll for twinks or to sell. Third, if the group disagrees with a loot, like what happened here, then there should of been a /roll for the item.

Twin keeping the item after the group wanted a roll was wrong. The guys flaming Twin and dropping him from group was wrong, they could of talked it over, instead of attacking him. Making a thread about what happened, and making yourself look like an angel, is usually the first step in looking like a douche. They should of let Twin keep the cloak if he was poor, especially if they had an epic'd rogue, who prolly didn't need it.

Much like what else Twin and his brother have lied about in this thread, he was not kicked as soon as he looted and then flamed. It was after Twin refused to roll on the cloak that he was kicked. Should the group let a ninja looter stay and soak up xp? He has already proven he wasnt going to roll on the cloak, had no interest in rolling on the cloak. His brother coming back after the fact saying "o he totally would have rolled" counts for nothing. Remeber guys "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

[Loke]

Can we stop talking about who was wrong (Twin was, clearly) and get to the bigger matter at hand: has Ryantwin and his brother returned? We need some internet detectives on this case asap.

[Sturmx]

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think the question at hand is whether or not ninja-looting is an offense worthy of GM intervention

I think ninja looting has and always will be an offense worthy of GM intervention.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by eqgmrdbz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Second, if you do not need the item, do not /roll for it, that just makes you look like a dick.

I don't think you've done a lot of high level grouping on this server outside of maybe friends/guild if this is how you think it commonly works on this server.

[Pint]

ITT ppl perform mental gymnastics to condone ninja looting.. this feels like a p99 rnf thread.