Freedom From Atheism Foundation

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why are atheists cool with scientists postulating the existence of alien life forms, down to their technological capabilities and motivations, but then they freak out when religious people postulate the existence of a divine creator and his motivations?

what's the difference?

That is basically the point I am getting at, Atheists are basically illogical hypocrites.

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is basically the point I am getting at, Atheists are basically illogical hypocrites.

inb4 pol pot and stalin etc, even though they were simply atheists who killed millions and not killing millions in the name of atheism. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

inb4 pol pot and stalin etc, even though they were simply atheists who killed millions and not killing millions in the name of atheism. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wut

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...the crusades?

kind of like saying you hate biology because of eugenics

and anyway, people hardly needed religion to go to war. the vast majority of wars have been fought for secular reasons

[Vyal]

Atheism is for idiots...
Yes idiots! and arguing with those idiots also is.... idiotic, so we get a whole lot of stupid....

This thread is proof.

Science is actually the key to every religion and our way to true understanding of what we all call God.

Dare we prove other dimensions?
What if one of those dimensions is what some of us call Heaven & there is no need for anything to be created there, everything just is and always was?
People can barely grasp this concept and some can't do it at all.. Atheist will say no way not possible even though science has basically already proven.

Always brings me back to some lyrics by Tool

Repugnant is the creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here....

[Eliseus]

Oh I see, because people fight in the name of a God, and not in the name of Atheists God, therefore a God must not exist because if that deity believe in did, no way war would exist?

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

inb4 pol pot and stalin etc, even though they were simply atheists who killed millions and not killing millions in the name of atheism. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dude, what fucking difference does it make? do you think the guy getting shot in the head cares why he's getting shot?

the point is that atheists are no less murderous than religious leaders. in many cases, they are even worse. you're blaming religion when the absence of religion isn't any better

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

kind of like saying you hate biology because of eugenics

and anyway, people hardly needed religion to go to war. the vast majority of wars have been fought for secular reasons

I don't hate Eugenics. When the Eugenics wars happen we'll talk.

I disagree with your second point vehemently. An example: While the conquest of the Americas which nearly entirely wiped out all indigenous peoples was imperialistic in nature, every murder/rape/death from the first child Columbus raped to the conquest of Central/South America to the NE natives who's deaths were celebrated at thanksgiving, were all entirely 'justified' in the eyes of their murderers because savage peoples weren't holy.

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh I see, because people fight in the name of a God, and not in the name of Atheists God, therefore a God must not exist because if that deity believe in did, no way war would exist?

Jihadism/Crusades/Conquistidors have nothing to do with whether or not a deity exists, I don't know why you are trying to blend the two into a single point. Humans are territorial by nature, we've evolved that way. Nobody is saying war wouldn't exist, however the world would very likely have a fraction of the suffering it did today if not for sky daddy (see: Dark Ages, Mother Theresa, etc.).

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dude, what fucking difference does it make? do you think the guy getting shot in the head cares why he's getting shot?

the point is that atheists are no less murderous than religious leaders. in many cases, they are even worse. you're blaming religion when the absence of religion isn't any better

Now you are confusing causation with results. Or are you going to try to tell me that 10,000% more people on the planet and much more efficient methods of wiping people off the map have nothing to do with the higher death tolls in recent wars compared to the crusades.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree with your second point vehemently. An example: While the conquest of the Americas which nearly entirely wiped out all indigenous peoples was imperialistic in nature, every murder/rape/death from the first child Columbus raped to the conquest of Central/South America to the NE natives who's deaths were celebrated at thanksgiving, were all entirely 'justified' in the eyes of their murderers because savage peoples weren't holy.

look to your own quote below to see why this is a hollow argument. there's no causation. like you said, the conquest and murders were imperialistic in nature. why are you so preoccupied with the justifications that were offered? do you think the americas wouldn't have been taken by conquest without religious justification? there's always some justification. nobody ever just says "we're committing atrocities, deal with it". we've seen too many of these horrors committed by secular governments to seriously believe religion is the driving force. hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot -- they did the same things without any religious justifications

Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now you are confusing causation with results. Or are you going to try to tell me that 10,000% more people on the planet and much more efficient methods of wiping people off the map have nothing to do with the higher death tolls in recent wars compared to the crusades.

i'm not even referencing numbers. i would say nazi germany was more murderous in its scope and dedication than even the crusaders or the spanish inquisition. at least with the crusaders and inquisitors, there was a non-murderous goal. the crusaders wanted the holy land. the inquisitors wanted to defend spain's catholic character. nazi germany wanted to kill all the jews, gypsies, handicapped, and homosexuals. that was the goal.

but like i said, the point is just that they're no less murderous. maybe you don't think they were worse, but there's no way you could say hitler/stalin/pol pot were better than anyone

[iruinedyourday]

Im just curious what outlooks on anything does this forum this is non idiotic? Can someone make a poll?