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[Non Quixote]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Facts are facts.

I would be interested in seeing you post some. One even.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bible contains both direct commands and illustrative talk and hyperbole.

Not consistently. It does not follow up every story with: "in short the moral of the story is..."

All sin is equal in the eyes of God, as such all protections from sin should be as well.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said that God works in mysterious ways. Blunt facts would only work to a point though. You could tell someone not to commit adultery or they will die, but that will only keep them obedient as long as they're scared of threat of death. Explaining to them how important and meaningful it is to follow that command, and how strongly they need to feel about it in order to maintain their stance goes much much further. You can't do that without colorful language like illustration and hyperbole.

Or it could have the exact opposite effect. It leads to billions of people suffering eternal torture simply because they lack clear and concise instruction.

Let's go back to my nuclear plant example...

Here is how I would state something of importance:
"Failing to provide sufficient cooling will cause a runaway nuclear reaction and meltdown. This will render the land uninhabitable for thousands of years and possibly result in millions of deaths. YOU MUST MAINTAIN COOLING AT ALL TIMES."

Here is how the bible would tell you:

"And Ismabad said to the people of Jerico, "let not the waters run dry in the age of the atom for hellfire will consume the land and all it's inhabitants." That isnt an instruction at all. It is garbage and useless...just like the bible.

If the author is clear on the instructions and I can understand them then it is my own fault for not listening and I can accept that. If the author is using vague language and is unclear then it is the AUTHORS fault for not making sure his point was understood...to pass the blame on to me then torture me for eternity for not getting it right is psychopathic.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not consistently. It does not follow up every story with: "in short the moral of the story is..."

All sin is equal in the eyes of God, as such all protections from sin should be as well.

And you have absolutely no power of reason with which to sort the moral out? No way of figuring out what an illustration or a hyperbole may mean? The point isn't one of protection, its one of warning. People ignore blatant warnings all the time. No one, even God, is going to physically stop you from commiting a sin if you want to.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or it could have the exact opposite effect. It leads to billions of people suffering eternal torture simply because they lack clear and concise instruction.

Let's go back to my nuclear plant example...

Here is how I would state something of importance:
"Failing to provide sufficient cooling will cause a runaway nuclear reaction and meltdown. This will render the land uninhabitable for thousands of years and possibly result in millions of deaths. YOU MUST MAINTAIN COOLING AT ALL TIMES."

Here is how the bible would tell you:

"And Ismabad said to the people of Jerico, "let not the waters run dry in the age of the atom for hellfire will consume the land and all it's inhabitants." That isnt an instruction at all. It is garbage and useless...just like the bible.

If the author is clear on the instructions and I can understand them then it is my own fault for not listening and I can accept that. If the author is using vague language and is unclear then it is the AUTHORS fault for not making sure his point was understood...to pass the blame on to me then torture me for eternity for not getting it right is psychopathic.

So I'm gathering that you believe in Hellfire and eternal torment. You've referenced it several times now.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you have absolutely no power of reason with which to sort the moral out? No way of figuring out what an illustration or a hyperbole may mean? The point isn't one of protection, its one of warning. People ignore blatant warnings all the time. No one, even God, is going to physically stop you from commiting a sin if you want to.

You do realize there are over 1,500 denominations of Christianity, right? Apparently, it isnt so obvious to all. You act like you have the entire bible figured out yet there are MILLIONS of people that would disagree with your interpretation. Quit acting like the entire bible is an easy read and that everyone agrees with what is being said. You simply have no ground to stand on here.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize there are over 1,500 denominations of Christianity, right? Apparently, it isnt so obvious to all. You act like you have the entire bible figured out yet there are MILLIONS of people that would disagree with your interpretation. Quit acting like the entire bible is an easy read and that everyone agrees with what is being said. You simply have no ground to stand on here.

I have made none of those claims.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'm gathering that you believe in Hellfire and eternal torment. You've referenced it several times now.

I dont believe any of it but it is one of the interpretations of the bible. I guess this is where you tell me that hell isnt real according to your own personal beliefs. That still doesnt dismiss the fact that a majority of Christians think otherwise and completely disagree. Ever considered if you are wrong? Isnt God gonna be pretty upset with you ignoring what was so obvious to others?

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'm gathering that you believe in Hellfire and eternal torment. You've referenced it several times now.

More over-attribution. Careful! Don't even reference something that came from religion, because that automatically qualifies you as a believer!

Absolute nonsense.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you have absolutely no power of reason with which to sort the moral out? No way of figuring out what an illustration or a hyperbole may mean? The point isn't one of protection, its one of warning. People ignore blatant warnings all the time. No one, even God, is going to physically stop you from commiting a sin if you want to.

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize there are over 1,500 denominations of Christianity, right? Apparently, it isnt so obvious to all. You act like you have the entire bible figured out yet there are MILLIONS of people that would disagree with your interpretation. Quit acting like the entire bible is an easy read and that everyone agrees with what is being said. You simply have no ground to stand on here.

Beat me to it.