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[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The building blocks of morality are found in the animal kingdom which, if I might remind everyone, we are all a part of as a higher primate species. But to say a dog or a dolphin or a chimpanzee caring for its young or working in a group is behaving in a morally sound, ethically centered way is a bit silly. I'm not saying those things are immoral; quite to the contrary, they are clear indications that the early beginnings of morality were present in them before we ever existed.

Where specifically do you draw the line at what constitutes "morality" then?

[katrik]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Lol

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apes that are taught sign language often express firm grasps on empathy and morality. Many have pets and when asked why they don't simply eat them, express that they love them. When the pet dies they tell us they are sad and that they miss the pets.

It's not limited to primates either. It doesn't take a marine biologist to see clearly their grasp of moral and ethical concepts.

Not found in the animal kingdom? Garbage. Next you'll claim that homosexual behavior is absent in the animal kingdom. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

do apes feel guilt? Morality and empathy are far different. Empathy is an emotion morality checks and balances emotions.

And yes homosexuality is present in the animal kingdom. Your point?

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The building blocks of morality are found in the animal kingdom which, if I might remind everyone, we are all a part of as a higher primate species. But to say a dog or a dolphin or a chimpanzee caring for its young or working in a group is behaving in a morally sound, ethically centered way is a bit silly. I'm not saying those things are immoral; quite to the contrary, they are clear indications that the early beginnings of morality were present in them before we ever existed.

That is my point, what is being called morality in the animal kingdom is simply instinct.
To say that a pair of birds that mates for life is moral means nothing.
That is not morality, it is an instinctual display of duty and loyalty.
Someone said that this shows they are capable of love. In a way that's true.
But does it display the full range of human love? Would a male wood duck take a bullet from a hunter for his mate? No. His instinct of fight or flight kicks in and he takes care of himself.
But the moral human would lay his life down for his wife whom he loved. If he fled for his own safety like an animal he would be ridiculed as not being moral.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is my point, what is being called morality in the animal kingdom is simply instinct.
To say that a pair of birds that mates for life is moral means nothing.
That is not morality, it is an instinctual display of duty and loyalty.
Someone said that this shows they are capable of love. In a way that's true.
But does it display the full range of human love? Would a male wood duck take a bullet from a hunter for his mate? No. His instinct of fight or flight kicks in and he takes care of himself.
But the moral human would lay his life down for his wife whom he loved. If he fled for his own safety like an animal he would be ridiculed as not being moral.

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

do apes feel guilt? Morality and empathy are far different. Empathy is an emotion morality checks and balances emotions.

And yes homosexuality is present in the animal kingdom. Your point?

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pure drivel.

[Glenzig]

Funny that people like Kaga will defer to the animal kingdom when the subject of how morality could have evolved is presented. Yet when there is a group such as ISIS that is acting in an obviously and out rightly immoral way, what does he liken them to?

[Qoute]You keep saying 'reasoning' as if these animals are capable of reason.[Quote]

Animals. Incapable of reason. Therefore incapable of reasoning out what is moral or immoral. Animals.

[Glenzig]

Quote didn't exactly work.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And some people try to rise to the top of those regimes. Every human has a differing sense of what is and is not moral. Every example you have given illustrates it.

No it illustrates that a base moral code exists in humanity. Or else nobody would be appalled at the atrocities we see in the world. We would just accept it as part of life.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it illustrates that a base moral code exists in humanity. Or else nobody would be appalled at the atrocities we see in the world. We would just accept it as part of life.

Again, you're describing empathy, fuckwit.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, you're describing empathy, fuckwit.

Actually, you're not even doing that any more.

You're just forcing your own moral compass on the entire human race.

Typical narcissistic, myopic, creationist.