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[Dior]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It must be tough having to google a rebuttal to all those scriptures from John.

Good thing I don't need google. That's what years of honest study from the bible gives you a good knowledge of the scriptures.

My answers are from google? You mean I'm the one posting quotes that I have no understanding of? I do apologize. I should stop that dirty habit.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Dior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you find the verses where he claims to be the creator as well? It seems you missed it. Maybe you read so fast because you clearly didn't quote mine google
so I'll assume you missed it.

Also, nothing in this passage mentions an immaterial place. Sorry. He mentions coming from another place. Not another plane of existence.

Might want to read John a bit slower there.

Why couldn't they go where Jesus was going? They didn't have the Christ explorer?
Do you think he was talking of some other physical world?
Doesn't harmonize with the scriptures.

They could not go there because they were physical beings.

I would love to see your supportive scriptures for Jesus being the creator.

But I doubt you will show me it's what cowards do after all claim to have proof, then say they don't have time to provide proof , just look it up yourself.

Father / Son= greater/lesser

Was Jesus on earth a lesser for of his heavenly God self?
Now we are getting into trinity territory or at least a duality.

God the Father/ God the Son
Not a biblical concept

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Dior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My answers are from google? You mean I'm the one posting quotes that I have no understanding of? I do apologize. I should stop that dirty habit.

I have full knowledge of my posts.

You have yet to disprove me while the mountains of scriptural evidence are crushing your posts

[Dior]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why couldn't they go where Jesus was going? They didn't have the Christ explorer?
Do you think he was talking of some other physical world?
Doesn't harmonize with the scriptures.

They could not go there because they were physical beings.

I would love to see your supportive scriptures for Jesus being the creator.

But I doubt you will show me it's what cowards do after all claim to have proof, then say they don't have time to provide proof , just look it up yourself.

Father / Son= greater/lesser

Was Jesus on earth a lesser for of his heavenly God self?
Now we are getting into trinity territory or at least a duality.

God the Father/ God the Son
Not a biblical concept

Oh, so you mean Christ resurrected to life after his death (which would have made him become immaterial) then became immaterial again to go to Heaven?

I told you where the answers are. Am I to be your teacher poor RobotElvis? Would you have me feed you like a babe at the teet? Nay I say unto thee. I say go forth and learn what you have blindly passed over.

[Aviann]

Theology is amazing until you begin trying to blend it with science. It becomes nothing more than trash and a reason for action originating from the individuals lack of individualism and a multitude of brainwashing and majority belief that they fear to go against at an early age.

Thankfully, we all can change our ideas of what we think is really going on. Humanity doesn't need faith in a negligent deity when it believes in the power of itself. At least you can see the proof of that, both bad and good.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Dior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, so you mean Christ resurrected to life after his death (which would have made him become immaterial) then became immaterial again to go to Heaven?

I told you where the answers are. Am I to be your teacher poor RobotElvis? Would you have me feed you like a babe at the teet? Nay I say unto thee. I say go forth and learn what you have blindly passed over.

You have yet to provide one scripture.
But let's assume for the sake of argument that you mean to refer to John 1:1-3 as proof of Jesus being the Creator.

Let's see if you can keep up with the logic here.

The person who became known as Jesus Christ did not begin life here on earth. He himself spoke of his prehuman heavenly life. (Joh 3:13; 6:38, 62; 8:23, 42, 58) John 1:1, 2 gives the heavenly name of the one who became Jesus, saying: “In the beginning the Word [Gr., Lo′gos] was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god"

This one was in the beginning with God.” Since Jehovah is eternal and had no beginning (Ps 90:2; Re 15:3), the Word’s being with God from “the beginning” must here refer to the beginning of Jehovah’s creative works. This is confirmed by other texts identifying Jesus as “the firstborn of all creation,” “the beginning of the creation by God.” (Col 1:15; Re 1:1; 3:14) Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God’s first creation, his firstborn Son.


That Jehovah was truly the Father or Life-Giver to this firstborn Son and, hence, that this Son was actually a creature of God is evident from Jesus’ own statements. He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.—Joh 6:56, 57.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Theology is amazing until you begin trying to blend it with science. It becomes nothing more than trash and a reason for action originating from the individuals lack of individualism and a multitude of brainwashing and majority belief that they fear to go against at an early age.

Thankfully, we all can change our ideas of what we think is really going on. Humanity doesn't need faith in a negligent deity when it believes in the power of itself. At least you can see the proof of that, both bad and good.

Become your own God. Apotheosis.
The oldest lie ever.

[Dior]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have full knowledge of my posts.

You have yet to disprove me while the mountains of scriptural evidence are crushing your posts

Of course you have full knowledge of your posts. You're the one that wrote. What you don't have is full knowledge of the quotes you've googled for.

It's a bit embarrassing that no one called you out on your laughable knowledge of the Bible, when that's your primary anchor point for arguing.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Dior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course you have full knowledge of your posts. You're the one that wrote. What you don't have is full knowledge of the quotes you've googled for.

It's a bit embarrassing that no one called you out on your laughable knowledge of the Bible, when that's your primary anchor point for arguing.

I think you are confusing the bible with Christian doctrine. You have quoted doctrine yet have never used a scripture to prove it.

I rely on the bible not doctrine from church fathers to guide my life.

I have given ample logical and scriptural proofs to back my claims, you have given neither.

[Toofliss]

Originally Posted by Dior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course you have full knowledge of your posts. You're the one that wrote. What you don't have is full knowledge of the quotes you've googled for.

It's a bit embarrassing that no one called you out on your laughable knowledge of the Bible, when that's your primary anchor point for arguing.

I've seen him back up his statements time and time again throughout this thread. You on the other hand keep being cryptic and mysterious.

While not a direct quote, your posts feel like "Ohhh, you're so ignorant about this subject matter. I know the real truth, but I can't reveal it too you. You must go search for it. Whatever IT may be."

If anything, it feels like you're the one googling for responses. 'Somewhere' within John you'll find the answer. Where? I'm not certain, the google page I pulled up didn't tell me, but its in there! Go, look!