religion

[G13]

Originally Posted by Whirled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well I apologize if I butcher anyones religion since I'm not Jewish.

The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy

http://www.jewfaq.org/kabbalah.htm

It is important to note that all of these magical effects were achieved through the power of G-d, generally by calling upon the name of G-d. These practices are no more "evil" than the miracles of the prophets, or the miracles that Christians ascribe to Jesus. In fact, according to some of my mystically-inclined friends, Jesus performed his miracles using kabbalistic techniques learned from the Essenes, a Jewish sect of that time that was involved in mysticism. .

Are you seriously going to paste a Kabbalistic link (which is Jewish Mysticism) to try and prove Jesus said to use Magic

Just SMH @ your buffoonery

[Whirled]

Other possible allusions to Jesus or his teachings may be found in b. Sabbat 116b (a possible reference to Mt 5:17) and b. Sanhedrin 107b, where one manuscript tradition refers to "Jesus the Nazarene [who] practised magic and led Israel astray."

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/talmud.html ^^

sorry couldn't edit/add this one but says in here too Jesus used magic or mysticism.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like how you chose to ignore the part of my post that you should have tried to wrap your brain around. I'll repeat it just for you.



How about you show us all just one thing that was determined to have been caused by magic, then I'll start to consider magic as an answer to other questions.

Abiogenesis

[G13]

Originally Posted by Whirled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Other possible allusions to Jesus or his teachings may be found in b. Sabbat 116b (a possible reference to Mt 5:17) and b. Sanhedrin 107b, where one manuscript tradition refers to "Jesus the Nazarene [who] practised magic and led Israel astray."

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/talmud.html ^^

sorry couldn't edit/add this one but says in here too Jesus used magic or mysticism.

Lol

Pure nonsense

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's a "supernatural force"? Elaborate

No, because you already know the answer.

You wouldn't understand it to be something creatively and intelligently brought into existence? Why wouldn't you call it "magic" if you didn't know the exact fashion in which it was formed?

Why would I call it magic? I don't know how the exact fashion in which a jet engine is formed, that doesn't mean I think it's magic.

[Whirled]

Odd...I would think you would be religiously tolerant with your views so far.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, because you already know the answer.

I don't actually. Please enlighten us all.

Why would I call it magic? I don't know how the exact fashion in which a jet engine is formed, that doesn't mean I think it's magic.

What would you call it? Why do you selectively apply the term magic to things that you don't understand?

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Abiogenesis

Yet again, not knowing why something happens yet is not proof that it was done through magic.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Whirled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Odd...I would think you would be religiously tolerant with your views so far.

Who said anything about religion?

Stop googling shit you don't understand

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't actually. Please enlighten us all.

You do, so no.

What would you call it? Why do you selectively apply the term magic to things that you don't understand?

I told you what I would call it. Something I don't yet understand. I don't apply the term magic to ANYTHING, because there has been no evidence to suggest that it is real.