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Can one of you P people please get a fucking avitar? I can't figure out who is saying what!

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Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you were to ask me though, from my limited travelings on this planet, I would say that Christians are without a doubt the most moral group. I would say Buddhists are a close second. That's just my opinion. I don't think attacking them accomplishes anything except demonstrate the ignorance of those vilifying people they don't understand.

A conservative estimate puts roughly 20% of Christians as not being complete pieces of trash. If you think a group that is 80% immoral hypocrites is the most moral group on the planet, I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
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Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said this earlier in this thread. There is a reason that Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, NZ, Australia, Canada, UK, US, Finland, Estonia . . . .etc, are all overwhelmingly successful. Even if these places are post-Christian, you cannot separate their common Protestant heritage from why they are successful today.

Don't know why you bounced back and fourth around the globe with that list, but let's add some perspective.
Australia, New Zealand (MFW the autocorrect thinks 'Zealand' is a typo), Canada, and the US are all nations developed by persons who had fled from religion or religious states.
Denmark, Sweden, Holland, the UK, Finland (not sure about Estonia) are all falling apart because of the influx of Muslim immigration. It's gotten to the point that the 'Progressive' leaders of both the U.K. and Sweden have made it required for news outlets to not list the names of the perpetrators of rape or members of these games because every single one has a Muslim name and they don't want to sound racist. Look it up. Rape in Europe has gone up 5000% since the Muslim invasion started in 2006.

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members of these gangs*

[Patriam1066]

80% of christians are pieces of trash... Wow. Holy shit you're bigoted.

Those countries were founded by people fleeing famine and economic insecurity. Also, the puritans were actually more religious than the average Englishman.

Protestant culture has as foundational values three things:
1. Literacy
2. Tolerance
3. Critical thinking

The western world is successful almost assuredly because of the developments that are a direct result of the cultures created by the Reformation. The only commonality of those countries is their Protestant heritage. It isn't an accident, it isn't a mistake. The success of the western world is built upon a religious ethos.

Also, I mentioned Buddhists are a close second. What portion of them are immoral oh enlightened one. Please tell us all your valuable estimation of other people's worth.

How can you not see how common you are to a religious extremist. 80% of christians suck says the atheist. 80% of Yazidis suck said the muslim

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty sure it just comes down to people like PaulG not wanting anyone anywhere telling them what is or isn't moral. All the while not realizing that he is doi g the exact same thing.
You're absolutely right though, the removal of organized religion would hardly mean the end of religion itself. And if you think that religion based on centuries old holy books is immoral, you'll be very disappointed in the replacement.

Yeah. At least this is how I see it. I'm glad that j make sense to one other person on this server.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah. At least this is how I see it. I'm glad that j make sense to one other person on this server.

I actually really enjoy your posts and your overall weltanschauung. I disagree with certain viewpoints you hold, but I understand why you hold them and respect that.

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Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

80% of christians are pieces of trash... Wow. Holy shit you're bigoted.

Well let's do some math. The Catholic church, widely held as the single most corrupt and fraudulent organization on the planet, just got a new pope. Pope Francis is a rational, thought provoking individual that nobody in their right mind would ever try to downplay as being just another of the figureheads that popes in the past have been. Yet after he has said some fairly radical things (by christian standards) such as creationistic evolution being in line with the words of the bible, or according to the bible atheists need not necessarily burn in hell for eternity if they are honestly good people, or my favorite one, his preaching live and let live. Heck, he's even recently stated that parents should *gasp* discuss sex with their children! Oh the humanity!
Yet the bishops and cardinals are now doing what they can to keep him from speaking because guess what. Pope Francis is but one good man, in a cesspool of corrupt individuals (aka trash).

Now let's take a look at a few of those christian charity organizations that you seem to covet so much.

Father Bruce Ritter: Fitting that back in the day they compared him to Mother Theresa (We'll talk more about her later). Let's just say he's one of many 'good christians' who ran homeless shelters and extorted sexual activity from the residents.

John Bennet Jr. who ran the Foundation for New Era Philanthropy which was a ponzi scheme and he paid himself over 23,000 a week in 'consulting fees'. He used his reputation as a leading Christian figure to disarm donor suspicions of which he managed to get investments from major nonprofits like American Red Cross, World Vision, and Nature Conservancy.

Look at the Salvation Army with it's hiring practices and the people they outright refuse to help based on their sexual preference.

Then there's Mother Theresa... oh boy. So many books written on that despicable woman and her sadistic torture operation.

These are just a few of many examples around. Does this mean that there aren't any good christian charity organizations? Of course not. That said, a few good apples doesn't suddenly un-spoil the bunch.

Now let's look at a group like Susan G. Komen, which isn't a christian charity, yet they are funded primarily by right-winged groups, groups which via their money have pushed the organization to do some really stupid things. First by campaigning against planned parenthood, and then against embryonic stem-cell research. Now they are promoting fucking fracking, which uses assloads of carcinogenic chemicals.
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A group that is supposed to be fighting cancer, working happily with one of the causes of it... Think before you pink.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those countries were founded by people fleeing famine and economic insecurity. Also, the puritans were actually more religious than the average Englishman.

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This is such a distortion of the truth, I don't even want to give you the credit of evoking me to form a concise answer.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Protestant culture has as foundational values three things:
1. Literacy
2. Tolerance
3. Critical thinking

In theory. Communism is also a model form of government... in theory.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The western world is successful almost assuredly because of the developments that are a direct result of the cultures created by the Reformation. The only commonality of those countries is their Protestant heritage. It isn't an accident, it isn't a mistake. The success of the western world is built upon a religious ethos.

This is more cherry picking. Firstly, the success of the western world had come despite the actions of Christianity.
Look at Issac Newton. Everyone always totes about how he was superbly religious, yet while he identified as Christian, he didn't believe in the holy trinity and his experiments/discoveries had him that close to being tried as a heretic, which would likely have happened had he not suddenly began to claim that God was directly involved in his discovery of gravity.

Just mentioning the names Copernicus and Galileo speaks for themselves.

Giordano Bruno was burnt at the stake when the church didn't even have an official stance on Heliocentric models.
There's a laundry list of people who were killed specifically because the both the Catholic church as well as the pre and post Protestant church of England were afraid of progress.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, I mentioned Buddhists are a close second. What portion of them are immoral oh enlightened one. Please tell us all your valuable estimation of other people's worth.

Your reading comprehension must be pretty poor if you gathered from my response that I actually agree with your stance that Buddhists are somehow less moral than people who hail from an Abrahamic faith.
It's simply yet another flaw in your 'opinion'.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How can you not see how common you are to a religious extremist. 80% of christians suck says the atheist. 80% of Yazidis suck said the muslim

uh.. that's a tough one! (also follow your questions with question marks next time)
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[Glenzig]

I love when people think that the Catholic Church is representative of what the bible actually says. Makes me laugh.

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Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well let's do some math. The Catholic church, widely held as the single most corrupt and fraudulent organization on the planet, just got a new pope. Pope Francis is a rational, thought provoking individual that nobody in their right mind would ever try to downplay as being just another of the figureheads that popes in the past have been. Yet after he has said some fairly radical things (by christian standards) such as creationistic evolution being in line with the words of the bible, or according to the bible atheists need not necessarily burn in hell for eternity if they are honestly good people, or my favorite one, his preaching live and let live. Heck, he's even recently stated that parents should *gasp* discuss sex with their children! Oh the humanity!
Yet the bishops and cardinals are now doing what they can to keep him from speaking because guess what. Pope Francis is but one good man, in a cesspool of corrupt individuals (aka trash).

Now let's take a look at a few of those christian charity organizations that you seem to covet so much.

Father Bruce Ritter: Fitting that back in the day they compared him to Mother Theresa (We'll talk more about her later). Let's just say he's one of many 'good christians' who ran homeless shelters and extorted sexual activity from the residents.

John Bennet Jr. who ran the Foundation for New Era Philanthropy which was a ponzi scheme and he paid himself over 23,000 a week in 'consulting fees'. He used his reputation as a leading Christian figure to disarm donor suspicions of which he managed to get investments from major nonprofits like American Red Cross, World Vision, and Nature Conservancy.

Look at the Salvation Army with it's hiring practices and the people they outright refuse to help based on their sexual preference.

Then there's Mother Theresa... oh boy. So many books written on that despicable woman and her sadistic torture operation.

These are just a few of many examples around. Does this mean that there aren't any good christian charity organizations? Of course not. That said, a few good apples doesn't suddenly un-spoil the bunch.

Now let's look at a group like Susan G. Komen, which isn't a christian charity, yet they are funded primarily by right-winged groups, groups which via their money have pushed the organization to do some really stupid things. First by campaigning against planned parenthood, and then against embryonic stem-cell research. Now they are promoting fucking fracking, which uses assloads of carcinogenic chemicals.
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A group that is supposed to be fighting cancer, working happily with one of the causes of it... Think before you pink.


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This is such a distortion of the truth, I don't even want to give you the credit of evoking me to form a concise answer.

In theory. Communism is also a model form of government... in theory.

This is more cherry picking. Firstly, the success of the western world had come despite the actions of Christianity.
Look at Issac Newton. Everyone always totes about how he was superbly religious, yet while he identified as Christian, he didn't believe in the holy trinity and his experiments/discoveries had him that close to being tried as a heretic, which would likely have happened had he not suddenly began to claim that God was directly involved in his discovery of gravity.

Just mentioning the names Copernicus and Galileo speaks for themselves.

Giordano Bruno was burnt at the stake when the church didn't even have an official stance on Heliocentric models.
There's a laundry list of people who were killed specifically because the both the Catholic church as well as the pre and post Protestant church of England were afraid of progress.


Your reading comprehension must be pretty poor if you gathered from my response that I actually agree with your stance that Buddhists are somehow less moral than people who hail from an Abrahamic faith.
It's simply yet another flaw in your 'opinion'.

uh.. that's a tough one! (also follow your questions with question marks next time)
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The League of Militant Atheists aided the Soviet government in killing clergy and committed believers.[48] The League also made it a priority to remove religious icons from the homes of believers.[49] Under the slogan, "the Storming of Heaven," the League of Militant Atheists pressed for "resolute action against religious peasants" leading to the mass arrest and exile of many believers, especially village priests. By 1940, "over 100 bishops, tens of thousands of Orthodox clergy, and thousands of monks and lay believers had been killed or had died in Soviet prisons and the Gulag.

The League purged its rightist members in 1932–1934. In addition, the League of Militant Atheists sometimes took a violent approach to those who would not accept the League's message. For example, "bishops, priests, and lay believers" were "arrested, shot, and sent to labour camps."[25]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leagu...itant_Atheists

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Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The League of Militant Atheists aided the Soviet government in killing clergy and committed believers.[48] The League also made it a priority to remove religious icons from the homes of believers.[49] Under the slogan, "the Storming of Heaven," the League of Militant Atheists pressed for "resolute action against religious peasants" leading to the mass arrest and exile of many believers, especially village priests. By 1940, "over 100 bishops, tens of thousands of Orthodox clergy, and thousands of monks and lay believers had been killed or had died in Soviet prisons and the Gulag.

The League purged its rightist members in 1932–1934. In addition, the League of Militant Atheists sometimes took a violent approach to those who would not accept the League's message. For example, "bishops, priests, and lay believers" were "arrested, shot, and sent to labour camps."[25]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leagu...itant_Atheists

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