Question about item camp handoffs

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no way for this rule to be regulated as camps like Tranix. For instance, someone is camping Tranix and a crown drops. All the person camping it has to do is tell whoever is waiting for the camp that the crown didn't drop. Then they just have to wait until the guy in line leaves, corpse it sometime in the next 8 hours or however last Tranix takes to respawn, and lie to the next person who wants to take the camp from them. Without a coding change or 24 hour GM regulation, this does not stop people from corpsing 12 lore items.

No need for anything so comprehensive. If you suspect someone is lying about the crown dropping (if, for example, they mysteriously get themselves killed shortly after and leave a body), just petition the staff and we'll find out for you. We really don't like it when people lie to screw other peoples enjoyment of the game, so this would likely be dealt with pretty severely so long as you provided some simple evidence that it took place - snap a screenshot, have your log turned on, take a fraps or offline recording or stream it. [b]Everyone should have their log file on AT ALL TIMES,[/b[ especially those above level 50 or going for hyper competitive camps by editing Log=True into your eqclient.ini file. There really is no excuse to not have this available, and while a log all by itself isn't sufficient evidence for anything at all because they can be so easily manipulated, it can sometimes provide the corroboration we need with a screenshot to prove a case.

I am in the process of working on a write-up to answer some questions presented in this thread. It should clear up any confusion resulting from the post that inspired this topic. I write server rules to fulfill specific requirements, namely that they be easy to understand, difficult to lawyer, and to allow the CSR staff flexibility if our assistance is required during a dispute. As a result, they end up being simple, yet cover a wide range of scenarios, rarely if ever being presented a situation they don't have an answer for. This is contrary to the nit-picky, complicated, rule-lawyers dream of the old that were held for so many years. I think the majority of the server appreciates the easy to understand and felixible nature of the more important server rules, but I obviously have a heavy bias in that evaluation [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Wenuven]

Deru, could you quickly clarify on what happens if more than one person wants to get in line for the camp? Is anyone obligated to keep a list that goes longer than one person?

Say Aaron is camping AC and Bob is in line after him.

Then Joe shows up and asks to be after Bob. Is Bob immediately obligated to honor that request to pass off the camp to Joe? Or does Bob have no obligation to decide who is next in line until he receives the camp from Aaron first?

There was a stimulating dispute in OOT today that didn't seem to be rectified even after pointing out this thread. I was under the impression that the list could extend indefinitely as long as it was kept honestly. But I had a few people who wanted to debate me on my ability preemptively claim a spot more than one person down the list and some people who still wanted to debate the requirement of any sort of list altogether.

[Walth]

I don't think its anyone's responsibility to keep a "list" other than the person who is waiting for the next immediate spot.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Walth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think its anyone's responsibility to keep a "list" other than the person who is waiting for the next immediate spot.

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[Walth]

Cool has nothing to do with it.

I don't want there being some rule telling me its my role to keep a list of 6 people while i'm at a camp.

I'll keep a the first persons name and shoot them a tell or whatever when i leave.

[Ducket]

Personally, I don't think it's all that difficult to create a list macro...

I mean all you have to do is open the macro tab, create one named "List" and do /say Current List ~~ Bob, Slumdog, Joe, Shmoe.

Sure, I can understand not wanting to keep a list longer than a few people, but what else are you doing with that 6-30 minute window between spawns? It takes maybe 15 seconds to create a macro to display a list of waiting people.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Walth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll keep a the first persons name and shoot them a tell or whatever when i leave.

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[Wenuven]

You don't even need a macro. It's not rocket science.

People who complain that making a list is too much trouble baffle me. Are you joking? You can't be bothered to write down a couple names?

In my opinion, a list creates order and fairness to prevent people from locking down spawns as they casually hand off camps to their friends and guildmates throughout the day. How are you supposed to get a chance to claim the camp otherwise?

I'll never understand why people are so resistant to "playing nice."

[Walth]

Have no problem playing nice - i just ain't playing secretary while playing a game

If its that big of a deal, people should be sitting single file near the camp to reserve their spot.

[Ducket]

Originally Posted by Walth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have no problem playing nice - i just ain't playing secretary while playing a game

If its that big of a deal, people should be sitting single file near the camp to reserve their spot.

So you would rather people line up behind you at the camp and sit there until you are done instead of taking 15 seconds to type their name into a /say macro and hit the button when someone asks about a list?

Seems like a total d-bag move in my book if you think typing out a name or two is playing secretary.