Public Raid Petitions: P99 Freedom of Information Act

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did GMs even collect evidence of infractions and mediate disputes outside of the game in classic?

Yes. Rarely, but yes. It happened a few times on Prexus. Of course, we also had the server GM sleeping with a guild leader, so that's classic too.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Juntsie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Juntsie find it hard to believe that GM devote more time to petition process now than if petition process is approved and implemented. Juntsie not dispute dat GM spend large amount of time right now resolving unfortunate raid dispute (perhaps too much time - Juntsie support swift, in-game justice).

Do you have any experience with the current petition quest process? Please explain how a single petition thread with a total of 4 posts from the petitioner and petitionee would increase the work load of the GMs versus what current occurs?

But petition process stand to create large body of case-law that GM must reference to promote "consistent" ruling. It stand to promote lawyerquesting through painfully unclassic process. It take GM out of game and onto forum to review materials. Dis is painfully unclassic and against spirit of game and dis project.

This already happens.

What next? Appeal process?

Already happens.

Petition to Rogean for Review process?

Already happens.

Supplemental briefing?

Already happens.

Amicus briefing?

Already happens.

NOT CLASSIC. Juntsie again tink dat lawyerquest need bash in face.

This or another process would bash the current lawyerquest in the face. Rather than spending 1-5 hours a day talking to raid leaders via Skype and having out of game chat conversations, any dispute will have to be addressed in a single go with everything on the table and in the public eye.

[dustysr06]

further affirmation that blue does indeed...... S U C K

[dustysr06]

double posting, because thats how completely ridiculous this OP is (didnt read thread)

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by dustysr06 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

double posting, because thats how completely ridiculous this OP is (didnt read thread)

The only thing that's ridiculous is people like you jumping on the TLDR bandwagon and popping their mouths off when they didn't even bother to understand the issue.

I'll break it down for you: No rules is a shitfest of KSing, training, and exploiting, so we made a few rules. Some of those rules are kind of bad, so we change them to be better.

It's not that hard.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No rules is a shitfest of KSing, training, and exploiting, so we made a few rules.

And if people followed the Junstie philosophy of "its 20 years old", this would not happen. But the #1 guild has always pushed the envelope (probably always pushed there by the #2 guild), regardless of server era. Instead of pushing an arms race and lawyerquest, the top guilds should push disarmament. See the VD "open Trak raid slot" (excluding then-C guilds) and the BDA "will not engage every other raid spawn" for examples on disarmament, without being forced to by whole-server suspension for three weeks+.

[quido]

Hey you, play the game like I do.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And if people followed the Junstie philosophy of "its 20 years old", this would not happen. But the #1 guild has always pushed the envelope (probably always pushed there by the #2 guild), regardless of server era. Instead of pushing an arms race and lawyerquest, the top guilds should push disarmament. See the VD "open Trak raid slot" (excluding then-C guilds) and the BDA "will not engage every other raid spawn" for examples on disarmament, without being forced to by whole-server suspension for three weeks+.

I agree. It would be very nice if everyone could get along.

[Tasslehofp99]

Bump, this is important.



I'd like to know why petitions were ever a private affair. Just doesn't seem to make much sense if you want the people most invested in the server to feel as if they're getting a fair shake. Also having a reference point for previous raid disputes to serve as precedent would be great. This way rules aren't just made up on the fly or changed randomly, which has happened numerous times in the past few years.

[knix]

Bump