Circle kiting needs to be nerfed

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Bristlebard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So far leveling my bard 1-26, AEing in WC, NK, EK, SK, OT, and FV, I've never seen anyone complain about bards, even when there were 2-3 in the zone at a time. I have seen one bard inviting others to leech xp off of an AE pull though.

Forum drama seems to be greatly overstating the "problem" with bards AEing ingame.

Most of the drama happens in overthere. This is where you can come across (1) bards who are truly just assholes and (2) other people who are generally bad at the game and jealous of bard kiting. The first group tends to leave OT pretty quickly but the second will stick around for several months while they slog through the thirties (read: bad at the game)

Distance yourself from no. 1 and ignore the inevitable accusations from no. 2

[Ezalor]

Originally Posted by Rekrul [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because the game isnt about efficiency for everyone and different people enjoy different shit, it doesnt matter if there are better zones. I'm definitely not saying bard kiting should be nerfed, i just think your attitude about it is stupid.

You have the right to make the conscious decision to travel to Bard zone to XP knowing full well that Bards will be AE kiting everything.

We have the right to call you an idiot for doing so.

[Feathers]

So you swarm kite a Bard to 60 in two days, then what? I think most people swarm kite just to see the xp bar fly, not because they need a 60 bard.

[Ezalor]

Originally Posted by Feathers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you swarm kite a Bard to 60 in two days, then what? I think most people swarm kite just to see the xp bar fly, not because they need a 60 bard.

99% of them don't get to 60. They stop leveling when OT goes green con, and then reroll when they realize they don't even enjoy Bards.

Go to EC on any given evening and you'll see one or two naked level-50-something Bards selling all their gear.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Feathers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you swarm kite a Bard to 60 in two days, then what? I think most people swarm kite just to see the xp bar fly, not because they need a 60 bard.

In fairness grouping on a bard in a dungeon can be pretty lame. Especially when the group doesn't want you to pull or CC.

Regen/Mana song
Haste song
DS song
Slow/Snare song
anddd repeat
for 6 hour grind group
to get 10% of a level

Or swarm kite Burning Woods and get a full level or two in that time.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In fairness grouping on a bard in a dungeon can be pretty lame. Especially when the group doesn't want you to pull or CC.

Regen/Mana song
Haste song
DS song
Slow/Snare song
anddd repeat
for 6 hour grind group
to get 10% of a level

Or swarm kite Burning Woods and get a full level or two in that time.

That's why you gotta show that you're better at pulling than the monks you're with.

[Jontheripper]

How about we remove the pet xp nerf, i think its bullshit mages have to kill their pet every mob just to get full xp. You cant tell me its because they'll level up too quickly when bards are killing 100 mobs at a time.

[Bristlebard]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In fairness grouping on a bard in a dungeon can be pretty lame. Especially when the group doesn't want you to pull or CC.

Regen/Mana song
Haste song
DS song
Slow/Snare song
anddd repeat
for 6 hour grind group
to get 10% of a level

Or swarm kite Burning Woods and get a full level or two in that time.

I had intentions of playing my bard in groups to level, but then looking at bard songs it seemed like I hardly had any of the tools groups want from a bard until almost 30, which is the point bards enter the golden levels for AEing. And since I don't buy into the "the game is over one you're done leveling" crap, the 50s will take a long time for a bard whether AEing or grouping, and I want to get to get to a point I'll be able to visit the planes and feel pretty "complete" as a class quickly... AE it is!

23+ has sucked (relatively speaking) IMO. SK is busy and huge and has a number of unkiteable mobs. OT is too low or too high. LOIO seemed like an option but meh. And killing red con's in FV has been a fairly harrowing experience. I'm excited to be at a point I think I can do drolvargs for a few levels now though until hitting OT to 46+ now [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even in OT though. Bards aren't ever pulling rhinos or caster sarnaks, they rarely pull tigers or other sarnaks. That laces quite a few mobs for the fearkiters and couple groups in zone it seems.

[luno]

I AE kited to 43 without much incident. I've also done a fair amount of grouping too, and maxed out all my weapon skills. Starting to get burnt out on the game though, as I only have one other friend to play with.

Generally, I've made the offer to non-kiters that they can just camp next to where I'm pulling and take mobs off me as they need them. If they're really upset for whatever reason, I'll offer to group with them for a pull or two, which makes everyone happy.

At least, in my experience the problems people like to complain about on these threads are generally caused by neckbeard power levelers, who monopolize as many mobs as possible. They generally get real defensive if you ask them to share because they're trying to maintain their reputation among their group of neckbeard alt customers.

People complain about easy mode on modern MMO's, then they turn around and do shit like RMT and hire dudes to power level them. What everyone really wants is to be better than their peers. The whole enterprise more about ego than fun.

Anyways, I don't think power levelers should be banned. Even though some annoy the shit out of me, I happen to think player created services like dial-a-port or power leveling are a great example of emergent game play in EQ.

[golten]

my issue comes when there are 5 mobs in a camp... say the HGs in rathe mountains, and 3 people camping them, then a bard runs in and starts steeling mobs and quad kiting everything. poor unsow'd melee cant keep up. i just watch him out run me to spawns.