Shaman race debate - Page 18

theaetatus · #**171** 04-06-2015, 05:08 AM

Remember kids, the best reason to be troll is to be able to buff people on raids very slightly faster.

phro · #**172** 04-06-2015, 10:06 AM

Once again you can't get it out of your head that there is more to this game than the very end. If any other race can do what you do then what is your argument?

Ele · #**173** 04-06-2015, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by phro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again you can't get it out of your head that there is more to this game than the very end. If any other race can do what you do then what is your argument?

How many rezs do they have to get versus an ogre though?

Lojik · #**174** 04-06-2015, 10:36 AM

Not really any bad choice for shaman race, best fit probably depends on your play style

Bristlebaner · #**175** 04-06-2015, 10:37 AM

If I was a 45 iksar I would be mad I couldn't use mana free clickies in Jaundiced.

Orruar · #**176** 04-06-2015, 10:54 AM

We've had like 30 threads on this already, but yet the ogre-is-best meme persists. FSI is a fairly crappy racial bonus for a class that has the best slows in the game. A slowed mob bashes once every 32 seconds. Many times the mob will kick rather than bash, and many of the bashes miss. The result? FSI stops a frontal stun once every few minutes. Whoopdy-fucking-doo.

I'm a barb. If I could re-roll, I'd go troll. Ogre isn't even on the map. I seriously question whether the people who advocate ogre have actually played a shaman at the high end. How many of you solo HS south or anything else remotely difficult?

Bristlebaner · #**177** 04-06-2015, 11:06 AM

I keep hearing this 32 second nonsense. You do realize mobs don't spawn pre-slowed. Truth bomb.

Being able to cast through stuns when you have have one or more unslowed mobs bashing your face in is very powerful. Again this is a solo focused racial. If you only group you will likely have a tank and thus this is less important.

It's min/max. If you are not worried about being as strong as possible then move along. People play gnome warriors which is proof enough not every player is looking to be optimally built.

theaetatus · #**178** 04-06-2015, 11:13 AM

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Once again you can't get it out of your head that there is more to this game than the very end. If any other race can do what you do then what is your argument?

As has been stated many many times, any race can do the harder content. The argument has never been 'which shaman race can solo stuff the others cannot?', it's just a case of min/maxing for specific situations. Min/maxing for easy situations like buffing a raid seems rather pointless, it will be easy for any race of shaman.

Choose between one extra cast of Talisman of Kragg every 10 minutes or completely ignoring bash. One of these will help in difficult situations, the other will not.

Samoht · #**179** 04-06-2015, 11:19 AM

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completely ignoring bash

which race gets this bonus? pretty sure i know the answer already (hit: none).

orgre immunity is A) front cone only and B) does not make one immune to push. hits from back and side will still interrupt. multiple mobs hitting you will still interrupt on a failed channel.

ogres do not get to completely ignore bash as implied by many posters here.

Orruar · #**180** 04-06-2015, 11:27 AM

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I keep hearing this 32 second nonsense. You do realize mobs don't spawn pre-slowed. Truth bomb.

Being able to cast through stuns when you have have one or more unslowed mobs bashing your face in is very powerful. Again this is a solo focused racial. If you only group you will likely have a tank and thus this is less important.

It's min/max. If you are not worried about being as strong as possible then move along. People play gnome warriors which is proof enough not every player is looking to be optimally built.

You do realize ogres still get interrupts from push, which causes far more interrupts than bash? In any difficult solo situation, an unslowed mob beating on you is going to be an unnecessary risk regardless of what race you are. If you can't figure out how to effectively slow a mob (or multiples) before they're beating on you, you have no place talking about soloing as a shaman. There are several tactics/tools available to make sure you don't have an unslowed mob beating on you.

Honest question here. How often do you solo HS south?