Play Nice Policy/LNS/RvR needs overhaul before Velious

[Guido]

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[Lime]

Originally Posted by Guide.Chroma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Experience for the driver and their drivees is never a waste. They more practiced they are in buffing, gathering, assisting right, etc the better. Whether the rules were placed with that sort of intention, I don't think it's negative. The big guild gets to experience PvP instead of playing elves by themselves, and the small guild gets a chance at an upset.

Upsets are not very possible with current policies. If you were to wipe Empire in NTOV this only affords you a 1 hour window. Raiding in NTOV will be a multiday 12 plus hour Marathon session. With current policy you will have to defeat Empire 12+ times, when you should be able to kill them once and corpse camp them all night. The odds of a smaller force repelling a bigger force 12+ times is very low.

The worst part of this is that they can call LNS and camp out in NTOV and wait to ambush you at the next boss after LNS expires. You will have no ability to deny access to the enemy going deeper inside the zone and camping to ambush you as they fly the LNS flag under current policies.

I also don't think you can fault people for finding loopholes in the rules, as the rules themselves currently are so vague and randomly enforced it is hard to define what the rules actually are. Technically under the current system attacking Empire while raiding could be interpreted as attempted experience loss, zone disruption, and account punishable. Your policies need to be fully revamped and defined in a way that is not open to individual CSR interpretation of how they feel about the issue.

[Masq]

There just needs to be actual repercussions for breaking the policy and you wouldn't have 5000 petitions. Getting suspended on a single account means nothing when everyone here is a turbonerd with multiple guild accounts for people to use.

Start laying down some real punishment.

[SHOWITME]

Originally Posted by Runya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imo you shouldn't be able to lns from pvp unless you took a yt

this is what happened originally with YT then nihilum corpse camped red dawn after they wiped to gorenaire and made all of them port to dreadlands and take a yellow text before they were permitted to lns

[vouss]

Originally Posted by Lime

Your policies need to be fully revamped and defined in a way that is not open to individual CSR interpretation of how they feel about the issue.

Recently had a conversation or two with Sirken about this and he called me a nerd and told me to stop trying to twisting rules, with no contribution to the conversation otherwise, good luck!

[SVentura]

I'm an unknown, and starting out with absolute shit prospects in my future, but I'd have to say if you're trying to keep it classic then the LNS/PNP should probably be abolished. I only ever played a little bit on pvp servers with EQ specifically, but some of my most vivid memories were of someone sitting on my corpse. I tried to talk it out with them, but when I couldn't I did something else and ate the shit that was offered to me. That's kind of the name of the game. That's pvp, really. Any other game ever does this; they don't hold your hand. I mean, if your argument is that you're trying to build a server population then I have two questions for you: first, why build a pvp server with nerfed pvp; second, why do you care about growing the server pop so badly? It's not like you're getting subscription fees once a month from everyone -- the only people that choose to play here are the ones who want a "classic" EQ pvp experience (e.g., it should probably be classic).

[Zalaerian]

Originally Posted by Lime [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The worst part of this is that they can call LNS and camp out in NTOV and wait to ambush you at the next boss after LNS expires. You will have no ability to deny access to the enemy going deeper inside the zone and camping to ambush you as they fly the LNS flag under current policies.

Camping is not LNSing and has been defined as such by sirken. Doing so forfeits your guilds LNS. The closest zone you could camp out in would maybe be DN as WW is considered adjacent.

[Saludeen]

TLDR version: Get rid of LNS rule. Let people deal with it. If you don't, then bads will zerg you, die, then regroup and keep attacking your raid.

I Agree. If you need to LNS then you can try to sneak it out, play an alt, or do something in RL. You could enter a treaty and agree not to attack the raid again that night. If you break the treaty, then they'll corpse camp you for months and attack the raid you just wiped.

Suif
31 Bard.

[Silent]

Regardless of any LNS PNP rules changed or removed, would still need someone to enforce them to get rid of petition and lawyer questing. Making sure people don't eat a 20 day suspension cuz they just logged in, killed someone that died 30 mins ago and called LNS then petitions and enjoy your time off. That would require at the very least the community to come together to talk out the easy stuff.

But any type of raid pvp would need a GM/guide watch over and have to understand what is going on otherwise they will just read the most petitions about X player and suspend, then get the full story a week later when they have the time and if its untrue, they fix it. Most of the people who ate suspensions recently are long time players, and play more then your average P99'er.

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by Silent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless of any LNS PNP rules changed or removed, would still need someone to enforce them to get rid of petition and lawyer questing. Making sure people don't eat a 20 day suspension cuz they just logged in, killed someone that died 30 mins ago and called LNS then petitions and enjoy your time off. That would require at the very least the community to come together to talk out the easy stuff.

But any type of raid pvp would need a GM/guide watch over and have to understand what is going on otherwise they will just read the most petitions about X player and suspend, then get the full story a week later when they have the time and if its untrue, they fix it. Most of the people who ate suspensions recently are long time players, and play more then your average P99'er.

Yo Jupe!

Miss talking to u and ur bro! Where ya guys been hiding?