<Fresh> disbanded due to massive division in the guild caused by the alliance.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by bloodletter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea <Red Dawn> was good stuff and it's too bad Heartbrand gave up, abandoning the cyber elves that needed him.

We've tried the coordination under separate banners, and you've watched it not work. Your proposition would be to 'just try harder' ? Trying harder won't work. Changes obviously need to be made, as it is right now fights that matter aren't being won. Sure Empire is being picked off here and there and a few targets might be acquired on a ground shake but over time it's just not the progress the server needs before August. Do you want to see Velious come around with 40-60% of the server under one <Empire> tag?

I don't.

Sorry bro, but when the XP bonus got completely removed and I spent 2 hours in a Sol B PL group to get people literally 1% XP, I think we went from list cut short every night to 6-8 people on prime time, back when the box had like 70 people online @ peak hours. Just had no interest starting all over again from square one.

[TacoSmasher]

why would anyone support your FQ over the past few months? cringe factor was strong

don't post was solid advice IMO

[Agatha]

seems to me the ship has sailed, and you guys can just go back to being fresh if this whole alliance thing doesn't work.

you guys would have won the last PVP encounter against holo if you guys where all under one leadership, if you were coordinated.

im going to give this alliance thing a try until it works, or it doesn't. then we can go back to our guilds.

but for some reason i dont think thats going to be the case, i think we are going to be able to take empire head on with what we got going here. and in the end thats what i have always wanted to do.

if we don't do it not, if empire gets in velious and gets primal loots before us, its over. you will never ever have a chance at fighting them on an even level ever again.

so this has to happen. we cant wait for fresh to be a stand alone guild 6 months from now after empire has farmed velious, we cant fight them evenly. there needs to be a decisive battle v empire pre velious.

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Gardur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't have any idea what you're talking about.

And you're refusing to take accountability for your own actions.

I didn't start a guild war with the top dog. I didn't relentlessly antagonize them on FQ. All I ever did was defend you for what you did right and remain silent on things you were fking up.

I logged in every day to help coordinate a defense. I lead raid after raid to gear up the people you recruited. I talked to the nme guild leaders to try and at least facilitate civilized pvp.

You started the war and you gave the order to fire up the alliance.

I was loyal to Fresh until you killed it. Now I'm loyal to all the people you abandoned.

Whatever you may think of me now I still acknowledge all the good work you did and respect that part of you.

we gave you warning and plenty of opportunities to call off the hostilities between us, and you assured us many times you weren't going to team up with azrael against us

this is also on you, not just tunak

[Gardur]

It's all about you Max.

Think about the members man. They made up their minds without me. I tried telling you that they dont have the history with az. They don't know what you and Karsten know. They have no frame of reference for that.

You gave them the only context they have. A relentless assault on a leveling guild by the top raid guild instigated by your FQ. What did you think that would do?

Then when the merger talk started you said "we could always go back to empire" in ts and i got about a dozen tells that said fk no.

I didn't defend your FQ because I didn't agree with your approach. I told you what I thought and didn't let anyone else know my opinions on it. When you told me you'd give it a few days and think on it you lied to me and posted more inflammatory shit the next day.

I did defend the things you did well on many occasions. Still will.

Pouring water down a hill and wondering why it's flowing.....

[Nirgon]

We woulda said fuck no about coming back to us based on what Max did. It was drop him or drop us, you kept him and we held Fresh accountable.

Allying with Lite in a desperate "sell my soul to the devil" move and getting thrown out on the street.... man so goog, esp when I told you not to and you took it as "spin" to hold you back.

I think the best part is Heartbrand going to the RD vs Fresh score card and winning right now. Sweet.

[dontbanpls]

it's fine you are going to shit on everything I did, and try your hardest to achieve the opposite of what I wanted for <Fresh>. That's why I disbanded the guild. I did not make it so that you or anyone else could convince people to go help out the people I made the guild to get away from.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by daasgoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

has anyone else ignored every single one of tradesonred's posts?

literally just skipping over them.

You are not alone.

[Gardur]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we gave you warning and plenty of opportunities to call off the hostilities between us, and you assured us many times you weren't going to team up with azrael against us

this is also on you, not just tunak

Not true. I always told gongshow that the guild would vote. That i had a strong voice but not the only voice.

I told gong the intention was to have one contest to show that fresh wouldn't just get fk'd like a wet fish.

Lowbie grief continued and it was out of my hands from that point on.

[heartbrand]

god feels so good sitting in Empire with Aimchat while scum like Max and Karsten are left on the outs.

also bank statements

also rich

hehehehehehe