ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[wts]

You realize that when writers like Martin and Jordan attempt something so expansive in scope, they may not live to finish it, or they may not live long enough without becoming demented or senile, which is what I believe may be happening with Martin.

I expect him to put the next book out, but I don't expect him to finish the series. If the next book comes out, it will be my series finale. Any loose ends I will just consider to be material that will never be covered. I suspect that this season sucks so bad because they're biding time for the next book to come out next year before the 2016 season, when they'll be able to do a lot more shit because there's more canon material to cover.

[wts]

Lulls you gonna rage on Ragefire?

[Gatorsmash_da'troll]

Originally Posted by wts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You realize that when writers like Martin and Jordan attempt something so expansive in scope, they may not live to finish it, or they may not live long enough without becoming demented or senile, which is what I believe may be happening with Martin.

I expect him to put the next book out, but I don't expect him to finish the series. If the next book comes out, it will be my series finale. Any loose ends I will just consider to be material that will never be covered. I suspect that this season sucks so bad because they're biding time for the next book to come out next year before the 2016 season, when they'll be able to do a lot more shit because there's more canon material to cover.

You do know Jordan never had massive amount of years between books like Martin did and has right? Martin went on vacation for years between books. Anybody who thinks he is going to finish the book currently being written isn't familiar with how lazy he is.

[holahouze]

My opinion is Martin has lost his economic incentive to do the hard writing - story-telling. This problem started a decade ago. But, who knows...?

Offering up a luke-warm defense of showrunners; they do not have the luxury of years and stay true to actors' maturation and professional lives. They have to march forward and hue to calendar, thus they were working with constraints from the start. They met and agreed to show concept with Martin in 2005. Reached agreement with HBO early in 2007. Four books already published, and they probably considered 5th due out anytime. They very likely expected series to be concluded just in time for them to work with that material. Martin got them to the moon with no way back. Now, they're problem solving. The question in my mind is, how much detail has Martin shared? How much of the show's storyline consolidation and bending/folding is being done with complete fore knowledge?

[Man0warr]

I expect him to put the next book out, but I don't expect him to finish the series. If the next book comes out, it will be my series finale. Any loose ends I will just consider to be material that will never be covered. I suspect that this season sucks so bad because they're biding time for the next book to come out next year before the 2016 season, when they'll be able to do a lot more shit because there's more canon material to cover.

No way - he hasn't even submitting a final manuscript yet and once he does that's at least a year of back and forth editing.

The showrunners want the show to end in 7 or 8 seasons, even though HBO doesn't - which means they are cutting/combining all the extra fluff characters and stories.

They won't be waiting for the books any longer - which made Martin a little butthurt because he wanted HBO to hold production while he finished the books but no chance of that.

The question in my mind is, how much detail has Martin shared? How much of the show's storyline consolidation and bending/folding is being done with complete fore knowledge?

Martin has shared the ending with them and the general guides on how to get there, but the rest of this season and the next two are going to be very different from what Martin ends up writing to get to the same conclusion.

The showrunners have stated they do not want the show to drag on and overstay it's welcome and turn into another Lost.

[holahouze]

I think we agree to some extent re: the showrunners dilemma. OTH, there was ample material in 4 & 5 for them to build out show season 5. Aegon/Connington, for e.g. King's Moot/Euron/Victorian, etc. for another example. These appeared to be significant storylines, amirite? Are the showrunners skipping these? Appears so. This is both interesting and concerning. Did the showrunners decide to axe it on their own? Or, did Martin tell them they wouldn't count for much at the end??

[Man0warr]

I'm sure if Aegon factored into the ending (which they supposedly know) they would have adapted that storyline.

[holahouze]

Anybody notice Tyene nicked Bronn at the end of their skirmish? uh oh.

[LoliPops]

The show sucks. It peaked up to the end of ASOS, just like the books did.

There, I said it.

[LoliPops]

i stand corrected. Tonight's episode was solid.

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