Rules Decent Players should abide by...

[Kengo]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're forgetting we're talking about a fantasy elf simulator. Your grandiose notions of morality don't matter here. And no, behavior in this game is not an extension of behavior in real life

Pretty sure this is the definition of a modern troll.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Thulghor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's one for you.

A filthy rich guy and a poor downtrodden guy both walk along the same street. Both of them see a $100 bill on the sidewalk, and both happen to reach for it at the same time. Who should get the bill? Both made the effort of walking down the same street.

You don't get filthy rich passing on $100 items. Roll em.

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[Whirled]

Originally Posted by Thulghor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In this instance, no, although good on you for considering that.

Hey thanks. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Moribus facit homini

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Slayde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What exactly didn't exist back then? People being assholes? or people NOT being assholes? Either I am misinterpreting what you said, or you are misinterpreting what I said.

Originally Posted by Slayde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... At some point in the past 20 years, the majority of the 1st world countries were reprogrammed to think only of themselves. ...

"Individualism" & "Libertarianism" & other fancy dress-up rationalizations for plain old selfishness aren't new. Read up on "classical liberalism" and "the Irish question" sometime if you want to be horrified by people on the east side of the atlantic. I'm assuming you're at least vaguely aware of slavery, indentured servitude, perhaps you're less aware of the garment mill sweatshops in New York City in the early 20th century. Germany was a very first-world country when it kicked off WW2 and fired up industrial slavery & extermination camps. That incredibly short list barely begins to touch on the evils of the last few centuries, the overwhelming majority of them perpetrated by what you would call first world countries (who the hell do you think had the power to create vast colonial empires?) and most of that shit continued well into and even throughout the 20th century.

There has been no reprogramming of anything except the propaganda in the popular media. People are still people. Pretending that people were morally superior at some earlier date, any earlier date, is a disservice to yourself and to anybody else fooled by the delusion you propagate. The world is not improved by pretending that it used to be better, that's just a cop-out.

[Slayde]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Individualism" & "Libertarianism" & other fancy dress-up rationalizations for plain old selfishness aren't new. Read up on "classical liberalism" and "the Irish question" sometime if you want to be horrified by people on the east side of the atlantic. I'm assuming you're at least vaguely aware of slavery, indentured servitude, perhaps you're less aware of the garment mill sweatshops in New York City in the early 20th century. Germany was a very first-world country when it kicked off WW2 and fired up industrial slavery & extermination camps. That incredibly short list barely begins to touch on the evils of the last few centuries, the overwhelming majority of them perpetrated by what you would call first world countries (who the hell do you think had the power to create vast colonial empires?) and most of that shit continued well into and even throughout the 20th century.

There has been no reprogramming of anything except the propaganda in the popular media. People are still people. Pretending that people were morally superior at some earlier date, any earlier date, is a disservice to yourself and to anybody else fooled by the delusion you propagate. The world is not improved by pretending that it used to be better, that's just a cop-out.

I agree the use of the terms "20 years" and "1st world countries" isn't accurate by any means, I just used them to make the concept a little easier for people to understand, and yes I did know about all that stuff you talked about.

The big difference now is that greed is rewarded, it is the "norm". People are naturally greedy, but civilization was born on the concept of self-sacrifice. I find it very hard to believe that early tribal colonies did not punish and exile those who didn't run with the pack per-say. Prioritizing yourself above all else is not a wise choice for anyone but your perceived self. There is no "ism" involved. It's simple, compassionate humanity. In order to achieve we must be as one. Together we stand, divided we fall. We have all heard this phrase, yet almost none abide by it anymore. It may not have necessarily been "reprogramming" but some phase shift certainly did happen.

[WolfsongReborn]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i never once saw need before greed in classic live

Weird. For the longest time Lanys was totally NBG, well into Luclin, I believe. Then again, we had what I believe was a truly unique community; heck our server forums are still up.

NBG, honestly, up to a point is how it should be anyhow. The quest for levels the quest for gear and to improve one's character and make friends along the way; That is what the MMORPG was made for. It's ridiculous, at least until say, open raid levels for someone in a group to not get a drop they need but rather have to go out and farm to afford said item. It's a stupid mentality.

The problem you run into is folks "needing" the same item a dozen times, simply needing the item, and handing it off to an alt to sell and then "needing it" the very next group they're in.........it can be a problem. However........

Many classes simply cannot farm for cash effectively/at all so they're what....supposed to make, gear and lvl a farm class alt just to afford buying an item they got into a group to get as a drop?


Stupid.

[Bboboo]

NBG...

Go to KC on monk.

Keep Tstaff on bags.

Tstaff drops.

Hey guys I need this.

[Bboboo]

Tstaff on alt damnit

[Whirled]

naw, that's just silly greed^

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by WolfsongReborn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Weird. For the longest time Lanys was totally NBG, well into Luclin, I believe. Then again, we had what I believe was a truly unique community; heck our server forums are still up.

NBG, honestly, up to a point is how it should be anyhow. The quest for levels the quest for gear and to improve one's character and make friends along the way; That is what the MMORPG was made for. It's ridiculous, at least until say, open raid levels for someone in a group to not get a drop they need but rather have to go out and farm to afford said item. It's a stupid mentality.

The problem you run into is folks "needing" the same item a dozen times, simply needing the item, and handing it off to an alt to sell and then "needing it" the very next group they're in.........it can be a problem. However........

Many classes simply cannot farm for cash effectively/at all so they're what....supposed to make, gear and lvl a farm class alt just to afford buying an item they got into a group to get as a drop?

Stupid.

yes, they are.

EQ's not a perfect game. all classes were not created equally. if you create a gnome warrior as your first and main character, you have no right to request gear from people who happen to have more than you. the server is full of people who leveled up druids, wizards, necros, bards as their first characters, farmed for a while, then used the fruits of their hard work to twink out a melee character.

sure, you don't HAVE to go this route. it takes more work, and depending on your point of view, could be less enjoyable.

and again, an example of someone who is trying to tell people how they SHOULD play the game.