Necro, how do you not choose Iksar?

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by absol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No they don't. Nobody has to give anyone else 'compelling reasons' for their race choice. What is this?

If you wish to be a special snowflake or you don't care about min/maxing, of course you don't need to provide a compelling reason because you don't care about the argument I was making, and again, that's fine play what you want. I'm not going to interrogate you as to why you didn't pick Iksar.

But don't try to justify that a gnome is equally as powerful/efficient as an Iksar in all circumstances, because they aren't. Regen is clearly the most beneficial stat a Necromancer can have due to the nature of Lich spells, and Iksar is the only race that provides this stat, which cannot be replaced or offset by gear or spells, like other races innate stats or abilities can be.

If you didn't come for min/maxing and you REALLY care about what your race looks like (ignoring the fact that 34+ you will be a skeleton for most of your playtime), then roll whatever you wish! If you came to try to min/max and get the most efficiency and power out of your character, roll an Iksar.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Mojo24 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think you comprehend what the extra regen entails. It's worth a lot more than a few extra hundred mana. And why would you even roll a necro to be a burst damage group oriented player??

I've been playing necro for a longggg time and do challenging camps. It was my main in classic and I was 50 when Kunark dropped here. Burst damage necro is good if you are doing encounters where you are waiting for something to spawn. It's extra firing power. With group oriented play you can add lifetaps which is good dps, especially if it's challenging mobs where lifetap is hard to resist.

Grasping at straws bud. Bunch of what if this, what if that. Bottom line is a 60 Iksar with regen will always, no matter what be more efficient than any other race.

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People are not comprehending that the discussion is not about if regen is useful, it's about how useful it is and where it's not really that big a factor.

Just wanted to add, if you walk around with well rounded resists instead of being prepared for specific encounters you're doing it wrong.

Resist builds are situational. You don't walk around with them, you are prepared to use them when the right situation calls.

[absol]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you wish to be a special snowflake or you don't care about min/maxing, of course you don't need to provide a compelling reason because you don't care about the argument I was making, and again, that's fine play what you want. I'm not going to interrogate you as to why you didn't pick Iksar.

You said the people who don't pick Iksar should be giving compelling arguments as to why they didn't. I picked DE, so that meant me. Your statement was pretty much all-encompassing. If you meant something else, fair enough, but what you meant and what you said are two different things.

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But don't try to justify that a gnome is equally as powerful/efficient as an Iksar in all circumstances, because they aren't. Regen is clearly the most beneficial stat a Necromancer can have due to the nature of Lich spells, and Iksar is the only race that provides this stat, which cannot be replaced or offset by gear or spells, like other races innate stats or abilities can be.

I've never said that. In fact I agree that the Iksar is the most efficient race for the Necro and I've said as much earlier in the thread. I've never tried to play down their regen, but what I have said is that it isn't a good enough reason to play Iksar for me.

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you didn't come for min/maxing and you REALLY care about what your race looks like (ignoring the fact that 34+ you will be a skeleton for most of your playtime), then roll whatever you wish! If you came to try to min/max and get the most efficiency and power out of your character, roll an Iksar.

Again, you're trying to assert that the reason people pick non-Iksar is because of 'fashionquest', even if you've been careful to try and avoid that term. Its not just about looks.

[Daldaen]

What I said was in direct reference to someone arguing that other races are better picks based on their innate stats, and abilities. In that context, I was asking them to provide an argument for why that is true. Taken out of that context, yes what I wrote reads as though I'm running up to every DE and Gnome Necro and asking them to explain themselves.

Beyond the looks, and disliking the way your character looks, what else is your race pick about? To me a race pick is looks, and innate stats/abilities. To a lesser degree there is something about their faction/ability to travel to cities and be non-KoS. But on a Necro you're KoS many places regardless of race and in most cases skeleton illusion makes you friendly (Atleast it does in any Necro guild).

I'm genuinely curious. If it's not about those things (looks, stats, faction), what else is it about to you and others? If the regen benefit of Iksar wasn't a good enough to roll one, what benefit (whether it be subjective or objective) did your race pick yield that outweighed the regen and lead you to pick that other race.

[Jitsumo]

The reason I chose to go DE over Iksar was to avoid the xp penalty. I never had a char over 50 on live and doubt I will be able to invest enough time to make this one past 50 on p99. This way I will be able to level up a decent amount faster and hopefully see new content. I'm sure at 60 it makes a huge difference to be an Iksar, but I will never see those days.

This is all cut and dry really. Can't believe we are seeing 19 pages on this topic.

[Beinen]

I made a DE necro and leveled to 22... Reroll iksar necro and I was able to make it back to 12 faster than my DE made it there. I'll fill you in how my travels go further and if I see a difference in leveling time. I suspect the hp regen is going to decrease my downtime if anything and I know at low levels as I play more like an SK(have a decent weapon) so I can out dps my pet then the hp regen is huge

[Jitsumo]

I have been doing the bard diet and aviaks up to 24 so far. Since I have been doing static spawns I would not be able to level faster as an Iksar with less down time.

[absol]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm genuinely curious. If it's not about those things (looks, stats, faction), what else is it about to you and others? If the regen benefit of Iksar wasn't a good enough to roll one, what benefit (whether it be subjective or objective) did your race pick yield that outweighed the regen and lead you to pick that other race.

For me, there were a number of reasons.

1) Neriak, I like that city. Even though you don't spend much time there unless you're banking, selling or getting spells, the time I do spend there I like. Its got a cool atmosphere.

2) Friends started in Freeport, so it was easy to hook up with them. EC for SoW's, North Ro for bone chips, Befallen, Oasis, boat to Faydwer for Unrest and Mistmoore.

3) DE Lore. They practise evil as their religion, and as individuals they're very self centred. It seems like a decent fit for a Necro.

4) To me, they look cool. I know others prefer Iksar for their looks. More power to you if you do.

I played DE and Iksar on live. Got the DE to 50. Then rolled an Iksar, got to 65 and raided pop. Now I'm back playing again, and this time around I'm taking it easy. I done my fair share of min maxing, now I just play what feels right, rather than whats optimal.

[ghost182]

I think Iksar makes for the better race 50+, can't agrue against that. I think the zones and mob types are a wash. Kurds tower vs befallen.. Kaesora in ku ark. Everything else is crap ZEM and you aren't bound to a continent either it's easy to travel. My point would be that regardless of race, necro is just a powerful class in general. You can optimize and go iksar, you can pick what race you like the look of. That's all fine. It's a strong class regardless. Doesn't need to be a debate

[Beinen]

Besides. As an iksar everyone hates you so hate them back and slaughter everything.