If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[RocketMoose]

Originally Posted by Chanus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uhmm.. The Soviet Union ring a bell?

What does that have to do with Jesus?

[Chanus]

Originally Posted by RocketMoose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What does that have to do with Jesus?

Communist Russia (ie: The Soviet Union) was anti-religious, to the point of massacring people. It pertains to this:

[QUTOE="cthulu"]When was the last time you heard of a mass cleansing in the name of atheism?[/quote]

[Chanus]

gdi... Quote, not Qutoe

RAMSES! LET MY PEOPLE EDIT!

[RocketMoose]

Originally Posted by boboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But still god could choose not to send me to hell could he not? Prevent me from burning and suffering for eternity, because he loves me? How can he send me there if he truly loves me?

There is a thing called dispensation of grace, which isn't really defined, and that's why some people believe that once they are "Saved" they are always "saved" and then allowed to do whatever they please.

But if you want to simplify, have you ever been in love? Like crazy high school days in love? Then had that girl/guy just totally crush you and break your heart, and they come to you begging for forgiveness over and over again, you forgive them, and take them back over and over again. What happens if they never ask you to forgive them, do you choose for them to not be with you anymore, or did they make that choice by never asking for your forgiveness and for you to take them back?

Just because you love someone, doesn't mean you can force them to do something they don't want to do. They make the choice to separate themselves from you, not you from them.

[RocketMoose]

Originally Posted by Chanus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gdi... Quote, not Qutoe

RAMSES! LET MY PEOPLE EDIT!

Ah, sorry, my bad.

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by chtulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about how religion encroaches on civil rights? Modern example; gay rights. What about all the horrible things done IN THE NAME of religion? When was the last time you heard of a mass cleansing in the name of atheism?

Are you ever going to stop spouting crap? What do you think one of the central premises of Marxist-Leninism is? I suppose you've never heard of Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot? Get a clue and stick to playing ten year old free games.

[boboo]

Originally Posted by RocketMoose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a thing called dispensation of grace, which isn't really defined, and that's why some people believe that once they are "Saved" they are always "saved" and then allowed to do whatever they please.

But if you want to simplify, have you ever been in love? Like crazy high school days in love? Then had that girl/guy just totally crush you and break your heart, and they come to you begging for forgiveness over and over again, you forgive them, and take them back over and over again. What happens if they never ask you to forgive them, do you choose for them to not be with you anymore, or did they make that choice by never asking for your forgiveness and for you to take them back?

Just because you love someone, doesn't mean you can force them to do something they don't want to do. They make the choice to separate themselves from you, not you from them.

So wait, god has no control over if I get sent to hell or not? Is that what youre saying? Do not evade the question, is the decision to send people to hell is made by god himself or it happens outside of his control? Im not talking about the decisions that would lead me to go to hell, which are mine, but the final decision, when the hammer falls, its god's or not?

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by boboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So wait, god has no control over if I get sent to hell or not? Is that what youre saying? Do not evade the question, is the decision to send people to hell is made by god himself or it happens outside of his control? Im not talking about the decisions that would lead me to go to hell, which are mine, but the final decision, when the hammer falls, its god's or not?

God has no control over whether you spend your life responding in RnF, Boboo. That answer your question?

[boboo]

Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God has no control over whether you spend your life responding in RnF, Boboo. That answer your question?

No

[Chanus]

Originally Posted by boboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So wait, god has no control over if I get sent to hell or not? Is that what youre saying? Do not evade the question, is the decision to send people to hell is made by god himself or it happens outside of his control? Im not talking about the decisions that would lead me to go to hell, which are mine, but the final decision, when the hammer falls, its god's or not?

Does the criminal decide to go to jail or does the law decide to punish the criminal?

If the rules are there and you don't follow them, whose fault are the consequences?