Dem Debates

[Big_Japan]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a lot of folks in this thread are building tiny blemishes into fatal flaws, in this thread, regarding the candidacy of bernie sanders. he's not jesus or superman folks, judge him as a person not a goddamn ideology embodied or whatever the hell you think you're doing

and as always, remember to feel the bern!

Well, Trump is at least Batman. Not sure why I'd settle for less. Btw, look how fatherly and comfortable the man is with kids. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]))

Love this guy's technique. A couple vague lines about "getting money out of politics", while simultaneously promising massive political cash spending, welfare in the form of unneeded and overpriced libarts education, to win at politics. Why bother spending large donors' money to convince the public to enslave itself, when I can spend the public's money at the large donors' places of business to accomplish the same thing if I just wrap it in a feel-good slogan?

As noble as "let's give everyone equal economic opportunity" sounds, the only thing Bernie's proposed education bread and circus would succeed in is destroying the value of a Bachelor's degree, and destroying everyone who went into debt to invest in such a degree at the same time. That, and reaching the American public much more broadly with the insanity taught in anthropology and the other soft sciences that drives so many of us to cheer on our own destruction. And oh yeah, I almost forgot -- the people who run these institutions, profit politically from what is there taught, and profit from loans on tuition at them, who also happen to share Khazar blood with Bernie, will reap enormously expanded profits too.

Promising across-the-board free tuition for Women's Studies for anchor baby girls on the backs of future Americans is economic suicide multiplied by political suicide. Promising free tuition to people pouring through a porous border who will never recompense what they take through taxes before taking their new economic advantages back to home countries with worse gibmedats is economic suicide. Being enthusiastic about the State feeding more money into a bubble that already threatens to shatter the American economy when it bursts is completely insane.

Can't wait to have my mouth sewed to this human centipede you disgusting servile animals are cheering in. But maybe it's naive of me to think you would see the error of your ways even with me shitting in your mouth.

[Gilder]

Originally Posted by Big_Japan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't wait to have my mouth sewed to this human centipede you disgusting servile animals are cheering in. .

Pure poetry.

[maestrom]

Hillary just came out with this idea that students should be working while they're in school and that should be part of their educational financing because that's what she did.

This is ridiculous for many reasons. The biggest of which is that it puts poor kids at yet another disadvantage to rich kids in college. It also completely ignores that it's not 1970 anymore. Tuition isn't 1000 bucks a year, and you can't pay for most of your tuition grinding coffee beans or shelving books in the library like you could when she went to college 40 years ago.

The jobs that are required to earn enough money to pay for college are simply not available to college students. And if a college student manage to land one of those jobs, they would be under enormous time constraints that would either reduce their ability to do their job and continue to ear money for college, or reduce their ability to do well in college.

This is the kind of stuff that makes me wonder about Hillary. She attempts to lead on an issue and comes out on the wrong side.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by maestrom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And if a college student manage to land one of those jobs, they would be under enormous time constraints that would either reduce their ability to do their job and continue to ear money for college, or reduce their ability to do well in college.

I don't know about this part. Undergrad degrees aren't exactly difficult. It's pretty trivial to work 20-30 hours a week while doing an undergrad and still having time to party. Working through college isn't a bad thing.

But you're right about the cost and the cost of college needs to come way down. And the best way for that to happen is basically the opposite of what the dems have done and what the dems propose now. Guaranteed + cheap loans means colleges don't have to compete so much based on cost. Remove all the federally subsidized loans and you'll go a long way to solving this problem.

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yea what lune said. You might have it mixed up (understandably because there are a lot of fears tactics against it) with Marxism or communism. It's just as removed from that as capitalism or the free market is.

look at local examples: The public school system (which has suffered more and more that free market capitalists and republicans fight to have its budgets cut and cut over the last 30 years) is socialism, roads, highways, freeways, bridges, all socialism. Healthcare for the elderly, even without Obamacare, is socialism. The list goes on and on.

And like Bernie has pointed out this week, social security (a social program) has never once been over budget, never once made a late payment, and operates at under its budget by 2.8 trillion.

It works really well and it works for every democratic nation.

What doesn't work, is trusting people who's #1 interest is to make a profit, that they will do whats good for other people. That they will provide jobs, that they wont try to cut them at the first opportunity. That the free market will make safe investments with other peoples money rather than risky ones where the person who actually makes the investment has no risk. Again, the dangers of a unchecked market with no government regulation goes on and on and on.

So what about Bernie do I like? sorry, let me get back on track.

I like that he wants to expand social security, I like that he wants to spend money on Americas infrastructure rather than interfering with international affairs that we simply cannot afford. Especially how after all of the last 17 years worth of interference has proven to cause more harm than good.

I like that Bernie sanders ISNT supported by corporations, that he refuses campaign donations from cooperators that he thinks do not operate ethically.

I like that Bernie sanders is the enemy of the media because its THEM that he wants to fight, not republicans.

I like that Bernie wants to raise taxes for people that make over 250,000 a year, because right now they pay the SAME taxes as someone who makes 118000 a year. I live in California, there are A LOT of entitled youths that make well over 250,000 a year in my city alone, its absurd that they get to buy Tesla's instead of paying the same taxes as someone who teaches their future children.

I like Bernie because he has a proven track record of standing up for and believing in what is right, not what is the trend in the press or political spheres.

I like Bernie because you can look at his history, and you can see him fighting against policies that have time and time again, failed, exactly as Bernie said they would.

I like Bernie Sanders because he is a SMART person. He's outraged and tired of the way the government has been treating the people. I like him because just like he has every time in the past, hes going to get in there and do what he says hes going to do.

Bernie's a SMART person lol. So was Baraq and we see where that has got us. All you Bernie supporters will turn to Hillary once she landslides your Bernie in the primary. Then all that cooperate greed you hate so much won't matter, and Bernie's fight will all be for nothing. Quit trying to sugarcoat your Marxism with some sort of "we care" Socialism. In the end you run out of millionaires to tax, and the genocide ensues.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remove all the federally subsidized loans and you'll go a long way to solving this problem.

You haven't gone to grad school in the last 3 years have you?

Federally subsidized loans were recently eliminated for grad school programs ~3 years ago. Enrollment is still going up, tuition is still outpacing inflation.

The federal subsidies are a drop in the bucket of the cost of college and are not a significant driver in tuition costs.

If your undergrad degree wasn't hard enough then you probably could have (should have?) gone to a better school. I bet you went to the school you did because of costs though.

The problem is, ability to pay for school isn't always tied with ability to succeed in school. We should have an environment where people go to schools where the only consideration they have is will they get the educational experience that is right for them. If you're smart enough to take advantage of a top tier school, then you should be able to go to a top tier school and not have to wonder about whether you'd be able to pay for it.

Loans have been a step in the correct direction. Credit allows smart poor people to fund their educations. But it falls short because of the risk in the employment market. And has the unintended consequence of increasing price for everyone as demand for college goes up.

A better solution is one that lets people go to the school that lines up with their abilities without saddling them with debt. Establish real dollar price controls on public universities. Or just have a medicare-style single payer system for college education.

[sOurDieSel]

I agree with all you Bernie Sanders Fanboys. Socialism is awesome and worked great for Germany during the 1930s.

Lets all go back to that.

My main gripe with the socialism that you're advocating is all the cultural marxist social polices what come with it like unfettered 3rd world immigration.

[Nextwave]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't get bogged down in bullshit. The systematic corruption and infestation of our political system by special interests and the economic elite is the single greatest over-arching issue that is systematically destroying our country, and makes progress impossible.

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[iruinedyourday]

Whoah are all the dumbasses checking p99 forums before they go to church? Yikes. You guys are bitter and ignorant. Im cringing hard at all the far right uneducated extrimists that just spammed this thread yikes

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you really not want to see 8 more years of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfmwGAd1L-o