Spells: Dragon Roar

[Nirgon]

Klandi and Sonti feared people

A lot

(Even with bards)

[Daldaen]

Oh look, another Nirgon post with no evidence just assertions.

Please watch the videos of Velious geared raids fighting these Dragons in normal, HP/Mana gear. Then watch a P99 raid where people are whoring out to 255 MR unbuffed, see how many get feared and more importantly for how long everyone is staying feared.

Maybe some fears saw the majority feared. Maybe some saw less than half. But almost every single person is un-feared within the first two ticks. That doesn't happen here.

[Daldaen]

[Sun Oct 04 15:41:02 2015] You flee in terror.
[Sun Oct 04 15:41:21 2015] You are no longer afraid. (19 seconds)
[Sun Oct 04 15:41:38 2015] You flee in terror.
[Sun Oct 04 15:41:57 2015] You are no longer afraid. (19 seconds)
[Sun Oct 04 15:42:15 2015] You resist the Dragon Roar spell!
[Sun Oct 04 15:42:51 2015] You resist the Dragon Roar spell!
[Sun Oct 04 15:43:28 2015] You flee in terror.
[Sun Oct 04 15:43:28 2015] You are no longer afraid. (insta break)
[Sun Oct 04 15:44:04 2015] You resist the Dragon Roar spell!
[Sun Oct 04 15:44:40 2015] You flee in terror.
[Sun Oct 04 15:44:58 2015] You are no longer afraid. (18 seconds)

255 MR, level 60 vs. Wuoshi

The resist/hit rate isn't that much of a problem. Its the fact that of the 4 hits, 1 broke instantly and 3 were full duration fears. There seems to be no inbetween a full resist or a 20 second fear. This isn't atypical either. A sizeable portion of our raiders were eating full duration fears with 255 MR.

Then go watch those classic videos, count how many times you see someone still feared after 12 seconds, and how many stay feared for the full 18-24 seconds. Very few are feared after 12 seconds and almost no one is going full durations. There are bound to be some under-geared, non-60, non-255 MR people in those videos. Even they aren't eating these 20 second P99 fears.

[Daldaen]

Bump.

[Rejji]

Did wuoshi yesterday with 240ish Mr was feared almost entire fight (and stunned )

[Daldaen]

Bump.

[isiah]

I do think Dragon Roar needs corrected a bit, but I think people are being a bit dramatic on how hard fear dragons are in Velious. At some point, you may need to realize your members aren't properly prepared for such encounters. If you lose to sont with 120 people, then that's a strategy issue, not a fear issue.

Zland can be done with 30 people.

Klandicar can be done with 35-40 easy. Flawless in fact.

Same with sont - Easily done with 55-60 people. We've done it with less.


As someone stated, raid guilds may want to reconsider strategies instead of pointing fingers at dragon roar OP.

[Freakish]

Max fears with 255MR on klandicar. Ate a lot of them. I think they're landing for max too often.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Max fears with 255MR on klandicar. Ate a lot of them. I think they're landing for max too often.

Even Wuoshi at 255mr was a couple max duration fears. My experience with Sont was a bunch of max duration fears for nearly the entire fight at 255MR. If you're forced to contort your raid force by logging off buff classes and onto rogues so you have enough redundant DPS to win the fight through the broken fear then something is definitely wrong.

Raid forces are way more advanced due to 4 years of Kunark, and back on live Velious was being conquered with way less level 60s in way worse gear so it's expected for those encounters to be harder when your raid force isn't as seasoned. That is not even comparable to the average p99 raid guild. The content should be challenging for sure but it's way beyond that based on my experience with it.

Yes, you can kill the content with the right class mixture and the right strats, but is that mixture realistic when one guild is fielding an entire alt force of rogues (which was never the case on live) or when 3 seasoned guilds combine forces to make an attempt and still sometimes wipe. To me that reeks of unclassic tuning.

[isiah]

6 -8 rogues is not an alt force, which is what we had for Zland and Kland low number kills. In fact, they were all mains.

I just think guilds could prepare a bit better and work on their class composition for raids. It would go a long way.