FYI

[Chanus]

Originally Posted by eriamjh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please just accept the fact that MQ was re-enabled to be classic and NOT to let ass hats farm JBoots 24/7 because they know 4 in 5 classes NEED them eventually.

I'm having trouble accepting this as it doesn't make any sense in the context of what you wrote.

Kiting in pretty much all implementations is an unintended exploit. Where's the fuss?

Feign Death pulling is an intended exploit. Where's the fuss?

There are ZERO classes in the game that "NEED" Jboots. It's a convenience to have them, and you pay for that convenience by either waiting in line for the camp or paying for the MQ. The only difference is this is a situation where "It's not fair because I can't get what I want when I want it!".

MQ existed in the game and was never removed, just like the ability to kite and the ability to use FD as a tool for splitting camps. "Unintended exploit" is a meaningless phrase.

[Chanus]

What is the difference in paying for an MQ for JBoots or paying someone who farmed GEBs or any other item?

Trade is an integral part of the game and its economy.

[jilena]

*shrug* this is the same need before greed argument as always. For most people it looks better for a melee class to claim they need an fbss than for a caster to claim they need it to sell so they can buy GEBs they will actually wear. I'm not really sure why MMO players feel that camping something you can sell to buy something you need is more despicable than camping something you need directly. It has always been the case though for as long as I can remember.

[Chanus]

I agree it's less-than-courteous to block someone from getting an item they can use so that you can make money off them, but that doesn't make it wrong.

And I don't equate it to a caster looting an FBSS when there's a melee class in the group that doesn't have one. That's just bad form (though also, not wrong in a "legal" sense, for lack of a better term).

[jilena]

Point being all items have some value to all players. Whether it's to sell and buy something they like, or to use directly. Why is having money to buy a nicer item more greedy than just having a nicer item? I have personally never rolled on an item to sell when someone in the group "needed" it. I just see both sides of the argument. No melee can solo an FBSS or SSoY. However all of them can solo the AC for a ring or Pyzjn for a GBS to sell. Does that make them bastards because some random caster wanted to camp Pyzjn or some random noob wanted to camp a ring? Obviously demanding an equal chance at such loot in a group is more immediate... But it's the same thing really. If you put in the same amount of time camping an item why are you a greedy bastard if you want to sell it for cash to buy, or directly trade it for something you would use? Maybe the person who is gonna equip the item is being more greedy because they feel that their being able to use it directly is more important than your need to use the cash from it to buy something else!! *shrug*

[xshayla701]

Originally Posted by jilena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Point being all items have some value to all players. Whether it's to sell and buy something they like, or to use directly. Why is having money to buy a nicer item more greedy than just having a nicer item? I have personally never rolled on an item to sell when someone in the group "needed" it. I just see both sides of the argument. No melee can solo an FBSS or SSoY. However all of them can solo the AC for a ring or Pyzjn for a GBS to sell. Does that make them bastards because some random caster wanted to camp Pyzjn or some random noob wanted to camp a ring? Obviously demanding an equal chance at such loot in a group is more immediate... But it's the same thing really. If you put in the same amount of time camping an item why are you a greedy bastard if you want to sell it for cash to buy, or directly trade it for something you would use? Maybe the person who is gonna equip the item is being more greedy because they feel that their being able to use it directly is more important than your need to use the cash from it to buy something else!! *shrug*

agree with this

but I thought the point of this argument against selling the Jboots ring MQ was because those who monopolize the AC camp and don't leave it for people who don't want to buy it but do want to camp the spawn for themselves? I don't think it would be bad to camp it when it's open (but really... when is it ever just open?), but there are people who switch off the spawn with their friend so that either themselves or their friend always has the camp.

[xshayla701]

okay I wish I could delete that post, I feel like it makes no sense lol. SORRY

[Chanus]

Originally Posted by xshayla701 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but there are people who switch off the spawn with their friend so that either themselves or their friend always has the camp.

Pretty easy to defeat that method, even assuming it actually happens.

As it is obviously not the case that two people have permanently monopolized the camp, get on the list and once you acquire the camp, publicly announce the list when people are added. Ask the next person on the list to do this as well.

This would ensure the list is honored, and would prevent such behavior as just passing the camp to a friend and having that friend pass it back to the first person as there should always be someone else on the list in between them.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Chanus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty easy to defeat that method, even assuming it actually happens.

As it is obviously not the case that two people have permanently monopolized the camp, get on the list and once you acquire the camp, publicly announce the list when people are added. Ask the next person on the list to do this as well.

This would ensure the list is honored, and would prevent such behavior as just passing the camp to a friend and having that friend pass it back to the first person as there should always be someone else on the list in between them.

As per GM statements: Camps are handled by players, and can give them to whoever they want. Regardless of "lists" or anything.

If I want to forego the list entirely and give the camp to my friend, I can. It's up to the camp holder, not some arbitrarily chosen time of arrival.

[Chanus]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As per GM statements: Camps are handled by players, and can give them to whoever they want. Regardless of "lists" or anything.

If I want to forego the list entirely and give the camp to my friend, I can. It's up to the camp holder, not some arbitrarily chosen time of arrival.

Sure, you can.

If you want to risk your reputation and possibly end up blacklisted from future lists, go right ahead and discard a publicly announced list in favor of your own greed.

(I realize you're not necessarily saying you would do this, yourself)

Frontier justice that does not break any existing rules might be the way people need to go with things like this.