ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I recall you being on #teamGhost. I don't think you can be #teamGhost and a charter member of Aliser Thorne fan club. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure he can. Jon can choose to agree to disagree with Alliser Thorne over his interpretation of the vows and his duty, and then they can part ways. Alliser Thorne remains at the Wall as commander, and Jon goes on his campaign. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure he can. Jon can choose to agree to disagree with Alliser Thorne over his interpretation of the vows and his duty, and then they can part ways. Alliser Thorne remains at the Wall as commander, and Jon goes on his campaign. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That would be wicked awful storytelling, IMO.

Really, I wonder why Thorne let Jon and wildings through gate - if he truly thought the wildings were going to endanger NW and the realm. Might have thought he wouldn't have the support to do that. Might have preferred burying the knife himself... cause he had Jon Snow issues.

I'll give you this - the NW is going down. Hard. I'm okay with Thorne being at the helm when it happens. Similar to his epiphany on the wall during battle of Castle Black, his last thought will probably be - Jon Snow was right. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[wts]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My memory is, Jon was not assassinated because he was heading to Winterfell in the show. No pink letter in the show. I understood Thorne and his buddies killing Jon because he'd allied with Wildings.

I recall you being on #teamGhost. I don't think you can be #teamGhost and a charter member of Aliser Thorne fan club. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haha I'll have to watch the episode again. Just because I think Thorne's actions were justified doesn't mean Ghost has to go hungry!

[xKoopa]

Originally Posted by wts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Will do thanks. From the Night's Watch vow:

I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post.

Attacking Ramsey at Winterfell is an attempt to win glory. Winterfell is not Jon's post. The Wall is. He broke his vows.

Not sure if its been mentioned (GoT has been theory crafted so much), but if jon died and was revived, would he be released from his vows? That would let him go south and etc honorably

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by xKoopa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure if its been mentioned (GoT has been theory crafted so much), but if jon died and was revived, would he be released from his vows? That would let him go south and etc honorably

Yes. Definitely released! And Ghost better be by his side again. I don't give a shit how expensive CGI is. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[holahouze]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure he can. Jon can choose to agree to disagree with Alliser Thorne over his interpretation of the vows and his duty, and then they can part ways. Alliser Thorne remains at the Wall as commander, and Jon goes on his campaign. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I doubt they will disagree about who stabbed who though. Like, "Aliser, well met! Last time i saw you, you'd lured me into a dark corner of Castle Black and stabbed me..."

Several weeks ago I hung a post on here where I said I was caught off guard by the differences between how show handled the assassination. I don't have a clue how show will handle his resurrection, so I'm open for ideas. So, take me through it. Aliser and crew lie to Jon and lure him, kill him, he rises from dead, they shake on it and part on good or neutral terms...

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by wts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haha I'll have to watch the episode again. Just because I think Thorne's actions were justified doesn't mean Ghost has to go hungry!

Really? The showrunners turn your guy into an insurrection-leading, savior-killing, a-hole -- I would have expected the Thorne fan club to have their shorts in a bunch over this. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously, I'm well adjusted to Jon's death. Doesn't mean I'm ok with guy(s) who did it, but I knew it was coming and was necessary. I don't know what's going to happen when he comes back. I'm open to your ideas. But, I struggle with notion that Jon and Aliser are going to just let bygones be bygones and go their separate ways.

Does the fan club give out "Aliser for 999th LC" buttons? I want one. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Patriam1066]

I think ghost is going to die. Jon's destiny involves a dragon. Can he be a skin changer and a dragon rider? He can't be that legit can he???

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think ghost is going to die. Jon's destiny involves a dragon. Can he be a skin changer and a dragon rider? He can't be that legit can he???

Ghost might be the price of resurrection. I'm not in love with riding dragons. I guess, ever since I read the Princess and the Queen and Rogue Prince stories, the dragons and Targaryens will end up killing each other. They can't help themselves.

[Sidelle]

Anyone else ever get crazy ideas in their head like this:

So Jon's dead. Doesn't get resurrected by Melissandre because maybe the White Walkers snatch him up first? (No, not to become a wight). Their leader seemed very interested in Jon, no? He may be half Targaryen, but I think the Stark in him runs deeper. Plus, I kinda think they have the old gods in common. And, he's a warg for a reason. A gift from the old gods to the Starks.

I guess I'm just not completely convinced that the White Walkers are the bad guys yet. Might be followers of the old gods too. Need more info. I think Rh'llor is a real dick so far, though...

Then maybe some of the Bloodraven and Bran north of the wall storyline will come together with Jon somehow? I've always been really interested in knowing exactly why Bran is a greenseer. He can control people's minds, no one has ever been able to do that before (according to the books and the show).

And fuck them dragons. Look at Dany trying to control those assholes with no Dragonbinder or knowledge of the spells to keep them under control. They're pretty useless and that weakens her position big time.

Anyways, I love trying to guess what's gonna happen. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]