ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then maybe some of the Bloodraven and Bran north of the wall storyline will come together with Jon somehow? I've always been really interested in knowing exactly why Bran is a greenseer. He can control people's minds, no one has ever been able to do that before (according to the books and the show).

Bran's storyline:

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No high hopes here

[Patriam1066]

Bran will be important as fuck. His story is and will remain boring though IMO. Minus skinchanging a dragon...

I agree with you sidelle. For the longest time I thought Jon would be the ice to Dany's Fire, and perhaps " balance the force" on the side of the Others, so to speak. Given the photos from season 6, however, with Jon wearing Robb's King in the North garb, I think he's going to be unambiguously "good".

As for the Others and the old gods..... I've become convinced by Preston's videos that the old gods are really just children of the Forest skinchanging, sending dreams, and using the tree network to spy on people. I believe they are neither on the side of mankind nor the Others. That said, I have no clue what role bloodraven and bran would play.

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone else ever get crazy ideas in their head like this:

So Jon's dead. Doesn't get resurrected by Melissandre because maybe the White Walkers snatch him up first? (No, not to become a wight). Their leader seemed very interested in Jon, no? He may be half Targaryen, but I think the Stark in him runs deeper. Plus, I kinda think they have the old gods in common. And, he's a warg for a reason. A gift from the old gods to the Starks.

I guess I'm just not completely convinced that the White Walkers are the bad guys yet. Might be followers of the old gods too. Need more info. I think Rh'llor is a real dick so far, though...

Then maybe some of the Bloodraven and Bran north of the wall storyline will come together with Jon somehow? I've always been really interested in knowing exactly why Bran is a greenseer. He can control people's minds, no one has ever been able to do that before (according to the books and the show).

And fuck them dragons. Look at Dany trying to control those assholes with no Dragonbinder or knowledge of the spells to keep them under control. They're pretty useless and that weakens her position big time.

Anyways, I love trying to guess what's gonna happen. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have the imagination to get deep into long range stuff. But, I think the Others storyline has something to do with a long-standing promise or treaty that has been forgotten and broken. I think the current state of the NW has something to do with it. You start with the idea that the Wall was meant to keep the Others apart from rest of the continent and you see current state NW spending all their time fretting about Wildings. I think Martin set the stage for this screw-up in the prologue of first book. The Starks, Wardens of the North and family mostly closely connected to the Wall and its purpose, gather up Gared as a deserter and promptly lop off his head. The Others could have easily run down Gared and killed him, but they didn't. This was the warning signal, that the Starks missed. Ned's first mistake. And, then Martin proceeds to spend 100s, maybe 1000s of pages letting us think that the Wildings were some massive threat to the realm. Way wrong IMO.

So yeah, the Others are coming. That Hardhomme episode was awesome, as it presented us (me) with the scale of their threat, that even Martin has not delivered thus far. And, Bloodraven, while I'm sure he'll be interested in fAegon if he's a Blackfyre, has put Old God's magic in play + pulled in Bran to figure out what to do about the Others. I think ultimately, this is where Jon's future contributions lie.

As for Dany and her dragons. The iron throne will continue to be important, so she will be. I think the idea that fAegon could be a Blackfyre adds a great deal to storyline. The Blackfyres were crazy about getting the throne.

I'm all in.

[James_Joyce]

I've watched the series but I don't read too deep into the lore and I haven't read the books or anything.

What's with all the theorycraft here? Isn't this all spelled out and spoiled in the books? Or is there already a large divergence from the source material?

sry if this has been answered but 240 pages

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by James_Joyce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've watched the series but I don't read too deep into the lore and I haven't read the books or anything.

What's with all the theorycraft here? Isn't this all spelled out and spoiled in the books? Or is there already a large divergence from the source material?

sry if this has been answered but 240 pages

Fair amount of stuff going on. Book readers have been waiting for 6th book for 5 years. Book narrative provides a lot of clues, potential paths, for sorting out future plot, and the author's slow writing process has allowed tons of time for careful readers to analyze and speculate. Google around, you'll be shocked.

The show has had to pick and choose which of the author's material to use -- we're talking about 5000 pages of content. And, they've used up a lot of source material. So, we're guessing what's next. For e.g., Jon's apparently dead in both books and show, what happens next...?

[Sirken]

Season 6 Teaser Trailer

https://youtu.be/9eviiCgwtQs

no new video, just some audio from Bloodraven

[Redi]

dont tease

[wts]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does the fan club give out "Aliser for 999th LC" buttons? I want one. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to make this happen.

Sidelle, here's the playlist for Preston's Mind of Wolves and Robins series if you haven't watched it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgU...kDrZ8Kuteu-nUn

A lot of stuff relevant to your speculation.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bran's storyline:

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No high hopes here

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Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bran will be important as fuck. His story is and will remain boring though IMO. Minus skinchanging a dragon...

I agree with you sidelle. For the longest time I thought Jon would be the ice to Dany's Fire, and perhaps " balance the force" on the side of the Others, so to speak. Given the photos from season 6, however, with Jon wearing Robb's King in the North garb, I think he's going to be unambiguously "good".

As for the Others and the old gods..... I've become convinced by Preston's videos that the old gods are really just children of the Forest skinchanging, sending dreams, and using the tree network to spy on people. I believe they are neither on the side of mankind nor the Others. That said, I have no clue what role bloodraven and bran would play.

Yes. Jon just can't help himself. He'll always be the good guy.

I'm hopeful that shit's gonna be exciting for the upcoming books, though I do have concerns about the show ruining it somehow before books come out. Sounds like I need to check in with Preston again. I've either forgotten or missed some stuff.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by James_Joyce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've watched the series but I don't read too deep into the lore and I haven't read the books or anything.

What's with all the theorycraft here? Isn't this all spelled out and spoiled in the books? Or is there already a large divergence from the source material?

sry if this has been answered but 240 pages

Pretty much what hola just said. It's been a long wait for book six, to put it calmly. I read the books before the show came out so for all these years I've been spoiled a little by that. All that time waiting to see Jon come back from the dead because when I first read that I had a shitfit, yelled out loud "omg nooo" and "goddamn GRRM better not die before he finishes this shit up right" (yes, that was kind of an asshole thingto say. I know. Lol). Oh, and then finally getting a little bit of hope that "Dany is figuring things out as she stumbles through the Dothraki Sea. She might be close to getting her shit together after all" followed by "ohh shiiiit, a khalasar headed by dude that hates her where the FUCK is Drogon? Dracarys, mfkers!" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

5 years later. Still waiting to see what happened...