Forsaken is a bait and switch guild, warning to all players

[ergo]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

except for that part where forsaken and asgard couldn't kill anything until they teamed up

herp derp


Also this quote:



is such a garbage insult that its about on par with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMAhCCZDwtU

Which is 100% fine, since neither was the top guild on the server, when Rampage was. That's the difference. AKA rampage was top until someone, even two guild together managed to give them ANY competition at ALL.

[Kileras]

Originally Posted by Malbolshia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man, thank goodness I didn't join this guild when all my friends left our leveling guild for Forsaken..

Are there even any raiding guilds on this server that don't treat their people like trash?

CSG alliance, <Anonymous>, are the casual friendly names. I don't think any of these guilds truly treat their people like trash, it is all about expectations and what you are looking for in the game. I get plenty of people who app <anonymous> and I direct to other guilds because I know what they are looking for is not what we really can do or offer them. The history and culture of the server is pretty easy to understand in a few forum posts. You know what you are getting into when you step into the big raiding scene ( and I don't mean that in a negative way, there is just a big sacrifice that needs to happen to make that whole system work and maintain itself). A lot of people in those guilds are putting in a massive amount of time to make the train chug along, and if you want a chance at some of that BiS stuff, you gotta understand that you gotta put in your time too and wait in line.

[Raev]

and you can count . . . . on me, waiting for you, in the parking lot!

[Turp]

Guild Leaders of Forsaken only ran the council to start velious. The new approach is pure DKP bid.
Their response :
We are going to begin phasing out loot council. We realize that it is something that is slowly becoming less and less needed for the success of the guild. We also realize the concerns of the members and this is our answer to slowly phase out what we thought was needed for the success of the guild.
(Listens to members , except me)

Only Dozekar will remain loot counselled as we feel it is the best way to make sure these tears are used quickly and efficiently.

To begin this, I will be removing all items from Loot Council
-Forsaken

if holds true than the future looks promising.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I play to win.

The winning move is not to play.

[trite]

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which is 100% fine, since neither was the top guild on the server, when Rampage was. That's the difference. AKA rampage was top until someone, even two guild together managed to give them ANY competition at ALL.

Rampage leadership opted to bow out while on top. 99% members had ST keys, 99% had stuff from NToV and the core was decked out....these guys weren't a collection of neckbeards foaming at the mouth for pixels, well maybe that isn't true, but they did have the most stringent standards for recruitment and expectations for behavior. It took 7 weeks in the Velious era to become a full member...Rampage was 100ish players who played well. If you saw 90 rampage online that was the whole fucking show, everyone was on lol...it was a good guild

[azxten]

If they're getting rid of loot council thats great, the pressure worked. Not just from me but from the dozens of other members who were pissed off about this and refusing to remain silent. Its not like I was the first or the last.

I have to wonder though...

When I was kicked someone told me they would be conducting a poll in secret of all members and asking them if they wanted loot council and if not would they leave the guild over it. They planned to present it to the leadership and stage a mass exodus if they didn't listen.

Forsaken leadership shook?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoYZf-lBF_U

Son, they shook...
'cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks
scared to death, scared to look
they shook
'cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks
scared to death, scared to look

Props to that member who came up with the secret polling plan, wish I'd been that creative instead of just speaking truth to power.

[Senies]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a man of integrity who isn't afraid to call assholes out even when I know I'll lose pixels and thats exactly what happened.

Cheers

[Senies]

Originally Posted by Morgander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ignition, you applied on 6/19/2015, and were made full member 11/19/2015. We also gave special consideration for your wife, who did not have the attendance to actually go up for vote as per our rules, because we wanted to make an exception for her so the two of you did not have to play the game under separate guilds.

Our policy page is transparent. Every change on it is dated explicitly. Our loot council change was implemented on 10/21/2015, and was clearly outlined in both our primary policy page, and in a full guild meeting.

This is also irregardless. You did not hold the required raid attendance to bid on loot. According to my database, you held 22% attendance at the point of your making full member (again, an exception we made for you, as our requirement is in fact, 25%).

I still do not understand all this animosity. You're upset because you were removed from the guild. You really should let it go.

so he was kicked out for voicing his option..... wow

[Senies]

Originally Posted by Morgander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK I understand what you're getting at here. You're under the assumption that DKP is awarded to "lower tier" members, while the "upper tier" members get loot council.

Let me clear the air.

Our system is a very simple hybrid system. We all accrue DKP for every raid attended, every SoulFire quest completed, and every hour of tracking completed. Virtually all items are DKP bid items. So long as you are a full member main and have at least 25% raid attendance, either 30-day or collectively, you are welcome to bid any DKP amount. It is a silent bid, and the highest bidder wins the item, unquestionably.

Loot council is reserved for a small number of items, all of which are listed on an easy to locate spreadsheet posted for all members and applicants to view.

This list includes loot from Vulak, Tunare, and AoW, epic drops, the heads from Tormax, Dain, and Yelinak, and a few odds and ends items off of mobs like the new, updated Cazic Thule.

In total, the vast majority of items are bid items, and not loot council. Every single other item is a DKP bid item.

Why does anyone stay in your guild? your literally just said we LC all the good stuff...