Common Man's ToV Raid Scene

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by Elmarnieh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only option I can see is for one guild to so absolutely dominate TOV that it forces other guilds to come to the table and if any guild breaks it it means domination again. That one guild gets less loot but a lot less boring tracking and FTE and the other guilds get loot.

Short of GM enforcement of the rules this is the only path forward because it incentivizes each member in the agreement to act honorably in order to get what they desire.

As long as CoTHquest exists, no guild will "dominate" NToV. Each mob is essentially a coin flip on first cast, which is gay as hell.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Morlaeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SAYS THE GUY WHO GOES TO BED AT 8PM!


<3

Need my beauty sleep bro. Gotta make sure to be rested for a hard day of forum questing. Early to bed, early to rise, helps a man make up forum quest lies.

[Morlaeth]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aaryonar should be the gateway mob to a proposed NToV rotation, as he literally already is.

It has been confirmed that Aary is the Big Boss of NToV #itisknown

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So much bad information in this thread. Most of you need to stop regurgitating fabricated opinions you exchange with each other in late night vent convos. Asgard would sign off on fifield's proposal, 2 mages to cover a wing of 15 targets is reasonable. Awakened's stance of 2 mages per target in a wing of 15 dragons is not reasonable. FA has told awakened for weeks that we would sit down with them and map out new rules, awakened hasn't accepted the invitation and instead started a magician arms race. It doesn't matter who you are or where your information comes from, the above statements are first hand from the top facts and everything else is just people running their mouths. Invitation to work out new rules is still available whenever awakened wants to come to the table.

I've yet to be invited. Invite me and if I'm not at work I'll be there. PS I've only heard of a singular offer being extended a week or two ago (not to me) and it carries the stipulation that multiple petitions must be dropped for changes to occur on a trial basis.

The reason I don't like Fifield's proposal is mages are dumb and CotH racing is dumb. Foot racing would be more fun. Let's get rid of mages and agree to foot race rules instead.

But a genuine question. Let's say, you beat me to FTE on Cekenar because we have a Vulak and Dagarn mage. We saw you had a Vulak Mage but last we heard you had a Koi Mage and our Vulak FTE CotH'd rogue never saw you run in from Koi.

What level of evidence would you require us to present you to prove you exceeded the 2 Mage limit in north warranting a concede of the target?

I ask this because the 2 Mage in north thing is impossible to police amongst ourselves. The only reason we realized you were gating mages to spawns and then CotHing is because you already had 2 Vulak mages in view, just like we did. At that point we had no one else in North, so we had no eyes on the other Mage spots and the only reason we could prove you gated a Mage is because an officer told us you did, and we saw no one CotH'd to Vulak.

You can't police 2 mages per wing in North because you'd need eyes at 3 different mages to prove they're all there and you're breaking the agreement.

Or... Just require anyone getting FTE be camped at entrance (VP pad) behind the door. Only allow 2 ranger trackers in North. And profit.

[Kagey]

#rootpatch2016

[Fifield]

Its pretty clear after reading what alot of you suggested that a rotation wouldn't work for many reasons. And its clear that some of you absolutely hate each other which is fine, competition is what makes us all keep playin.

I am just thinking of 3 months, 6 months, 1 yr from now. Is this how you want NToV to be? I mean obviously both parties are going to do the mage thing for now, we all want upgrades and like myself, are too addicted to this game to not go hard to get those mobs.

Even if we all cant agree on most things, I think we can all agree that we want to somehow create the most enjoyable NToV possible with the 16hr windows were given.

[Fifield]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've yet to be invited. Invite me and if I'm not at work I'll be there. PS I've only heard of a singular offer being extended a week or two ago (not to me) and it carries the stipulation that multiple petitions must be dropped for changes to occur on a trial basis.

The reason I don't like Fifield's proposal is mages are dumb and CotH racing is dumb. Foot racing would be more fun. Let's get rid of mages and agree to foot race rules instead.

But a genuine question. Let's say, you beat me to FTE on Cekenar because we have a Vulak and Dagarn mage. We saw you had a Vulak Mage but last we heard you had a Koi Mage and our Vulak FTE CotH'd rogue never saw you run in from Koi.

What level of evidence would you require us to present you to prove you exceeded the 2 Mage limit in north warranting a concede of the target?

I ask this because the 2 Mage in north thing is impossible to police amongst ourselves. The only reason we realized you were gating mages to spawns and then CotHing is because you already had 2 Vulak mages in view, just like we did. At that point we had no one else in North, so we had no eyes on the other Mage spots and the only reason we could prove you gated a Mage is because an officer told us you did, and we saw no one CotH'd to Vulak.

You can't police 2 mages per wing in North because you'd need eyes at 3 different mages to prove they're all there and you're breaking the agreement.

Or... Just require anyone getting FTE be camped at entrance (VP pad) behind the door. Only allow 2 ranger trackers in North. And profit.

Yeah dald, I never thought about the whole "policing" the 2 mages in north. You got a point there. we need a judge like in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance lol

[Erati]

when is the meeting Pint?

Velious needs proper raid rules structured for the evironment it birthed

[Nibblewitz]

Originally Posted by Fifield [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

competition is what makes us all keep playin.

Some people disagree.

[kjs86z]

Man, end game raiding sure does sound like a shit fest.

How do you people get any enjoyment out of this crap?