Yes another swarm kite post

[Psionide]

This is nonsense. What bards make it past 52?

[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's a description not a mechanics change

my good chum

I pulled it directly from the change log. Here are some more of the lines:

Originally Posted by 2002-09-04 11:33

Changed Slot 1 from "Decrease Hitpoints by 2 (L2) to 17 (L60) per tick" to "Decrease Hitpoints by 2 (L2) to 18 (L65) per tick"

Originally Posted by 2004-06-02 11:16

Changed Slot 1 from "Decrease Hitpoints by 2 (L2) to 18 (L65) per tick" to "Decrease Hitpoints by 2 (L2) to 19 (L70) per tick"

Originally Posted by 2006-09-19 18:28

Changed Slot 1 from "Decrease Hitpoints by 2 (L2) to 19 (L70) per tick" to "Decrease Hitpoints by 2 (L2) to 20 (L75) per tick"

Originally Posted by 2007-11-12 21:58

Changed Slot 1 from "Decrease Hitpoints by 2 (L2) to 20 (L75) per tick" to "Decrease Hitpoints by 2 (L2) to 22 (L80) per tick"

[Pokesan]

yes, those are some more descriptions. well done!

[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes, those are some more descriptions. well done!

touche

2004 it is then:

Originally Posted by http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20040914.html

Bard PBAoE spells will no longer damage targets that are moving, however any other spell effects from the PBAoE spell will still be applied to the targets as usual.

[Jauna]

Swarm kiting confirmed classic, haters are not able to hate.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Boilon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So... today I witnessed a bard (54) swarm kiting in City of Mist with mobs that included the upper levels and likely everything from moat and in between. He would swarm kite around the arena when there was another few people fighting the goo's in the side houses and possibly the inside arena mobs. Not only this but he had a black reaver in his kite (which I guess didn't get damaged by the Magic dot so it didn't cause him to summon, although honestly would be a bit funny to see this happen).

Over the past 2 hours he has died once or twice, and then this just causes a dispersion of mobs all over the place. Also after a finished kite the black reaver was left and then was left to zone and agro on to others. So at what point is this considered a zone disruption in terms of PnP and or otherwise unscrupulous behaviour?

Looking for an honest answer about this sort of stuff. I honestly have generally 0 problem with this in an outdoor zone or less used areas, but city of mist at around this time, i have NEVER seen this before in City of Mist but maybe I do not spend enough time here. At what point is it allowed to take mobs off his train because he is monopolizing a lot of the mobs for people 50+ .

I heard that there was a GM comment or something relating to bard trains and that it was okay to take mobs off their trains to kill despite them having the 'FTE'. Any possible serious replies to what can/should be done in this situation would be great! As much as I want to call the bard out by name, I don't know if that would devolve this in to an RnF , but I ended up logging my monk because i was like fuck it im not dealing with this.

Dunno if it was mentioned but pretty sure Sirken ruled that if somebody is kiting more than 4 mobs at a time in a contested area like that you can pull *singles* off their kite. It does sound like that qualifies for zone disruption and is reportable but you might not get a GM response quickly enough for it to matter. I'd just pull mobs off him.

[Aalderon Crystafire]

Yes! The GM/Guide policy here is that you cannot do more than a quad-kite and 'hold claim' to those mobs - anything more than 4 mobs opens them up to fair game.

[ebilsoldier]

Be careful of pulling singles from a bard pull, you will social agro most of their train if they were to die or zone out. At least this has been my experience.

[Troxx]

Swarm kiting dotting was nerfed sometime after legacy of ykesha. I remember my college roommate doing it in Nadox while grinding aa.

Few people did it back then. I did it before Luclin, but never more than 7-8 mobs due to lag and wimpy graphics cards.

Petition the bard the next time his reckless behavior results in any sort of train, whether by him dying and his wandering mobs path back or him having to zone off a Reaver (should it aggro anyone while patching back).

[elwing]

I remember that awful change:

Originally Posted by http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20040914.html
Bard PBAoE spells will no longer damage targets that are moving, however any other spell effects from the PBAoE spell will still be applied to the targets as usual.

I wasn't kiting then due to too bad connection... but this affected me, at 54 I was not able to kill spiderling in the newbie zone using my AE song due to this change... that was quite insulting and horrible. the mobs would get hit once, then run and be immune to the ae...

I was ok with the need to fix kiting, but I was shocked by the solution... some other AE have a limited number of target and diminishing returns after, why not something similar for bards?