DKP

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2) Non-active players (ie, those not making the required attendance %) get their DKP frozen and cut by y%, and if they return the points remain frozen until they have completed q# of weeks minimum attendance to unfreeze them. They of course still earn points during this period, just cannot bid. This prevents the problem of piggish veterans just banking mega-points and then logging on only when they want an item.

At least this is a blanket application, instead of an adjustment based on success. Still, its dumb, because the heavy hitters in the guild didnt just spring up out of nowhere. They worked over time to help the guild grow, and once they obtain a BiS item, you will never have to compete with them again for that item slot but you still benefit from what they bring to the table every raid. It sounds like your agenda is to take advantage of people who play all the time and not give them credit where credit is due. Nothing is stopping you from being at the top of the DKP charts, just play a few years 24/7 like they did.

[azeth]

You sure have some strong fucking opinions about a system you're not included nor ever will be included in.

[ridiculousmoose]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sure have some strong fucking opinions about a system you're not included nor ever will be included in.

ok

[Endonde]

I participated in Taken's loot system for a while, I can confirm it was awful. Too much inflation, and people padding their dkp by pretending to track, but I've yet to see a decent loot system on P99, and probably never will since there is so much greed here.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Endonde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I participated in Taken's loot system for a while, I can confirm it was awful. Too much inflation, and people padding their dkp by pretending to track, but I've yet to see a decent loot system on P99, and probably never will since there is so much greed here.

Dottedup was only in the guild for so long [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you kidding? Why would anyone tolerate this? Whats the point of keeping DKP at all if you're just going to redistribute them every few months? Some guy comes and does all the heavy lifting and earns 4x as much DKP as another player, then you swoop in and "adjust" it by handing his hard earned points to a person who does far less. If I was in a guild that penalized me in this way, I would leave immediately. There is zero reason to get your DKP above the average since you're just going to lose it. Its a race to the bottom.

you are very bad at math. Or reading.

The adjustments only apply to active players. Which means, the newer player with low dkp is currently doing approx. as much as the high dkp veteran.

And, one never loses one's ranking. But look, if you are not going to try to understand the system I laid out, well, this is a waste of my time.

I think you are just trying to protect a system that ensures senior members always will have a huge dkp lead. An adjustment system does not allow that kind of cushy setup.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See the thing is with a bidding system like Awakened has in that its blind bidding people overspend(as in bid much higher then 2nd place) regularly for items. This helps keep the dkp at reasonable levels. You want a nice item you bid or go home. So every raid there was a good portion of DKP that was spent that might not have been with a system like 2nd highest+1 is winner.

blind bidding is also a tool to avoid top-heavy dkp lists.

But I never was in a blind bidding guild. I was always in /gu open competitive bidding. trust me, it was a hoot. Especially on weekend nights (ie, drunken raiders) you could sometimes goad people to get into bidding wars. It was.... fun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

edit: you can take a look at my 2004 magelo to see what I managed to get under such a system. Got my guild's second talisman of vah kerrath for example. http://eq.magelo.com/profile/482891 If you know loot timleines, you know that no way could i get that gear by 2004 w/o playing hardcore. But the adjustment/freezing system still allowed me to get what i wanted. It required me to keep on my toes and fuckin raid, however. The AG persons complaining want a system where you can go casual and still be top dog. As I said, no idea why any new member would tolerate such a system. Awakened sounds more equitable.

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The adjustments only apply to active players. Which means, the newer player with low dkp is currently doing approx. as much as the high dkp veteran.

And, one never loses one's ranking. But look, if you are not going to try to understand the system I laid out, well, this is a waste of my time.

Sounds like a dodge to me. The way you wrote it sure sounds like you're redistributing points and calling it an "adjustment"

"The adjustment involved decreasing the points of people at the top and increasing the points of (active) players at the bottom, to get a smaller spread of points."

So both of us join a guild at the same time, I get 1000 dkp, you get 100, the average of that period for everyone is 500, so one guy loses some and the other guy gains some so they are both closer to 500?

Set me straight, because that sounds like a straight up con

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

blind bidding is also a tool to avoid top-heavy dkp lists.

The AG persons complaining want a system where you can go casual and still be top dog. As I said, no idea why any new member would tolerate such a system. Awakened sounds more equitable.

To each their own I guess. I value the points I earn and I dont want to piss them away in schemes that were concocted to keep everyone artificially more equal than they really are. Some people spend years helping a guild and raiding, others come twice a week. The former deserve what they earn and them having an edge seems like justice to me.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

you still are not understanding the system, Expediency. "active raiders" does not = twice a week show ups. Try to add up what I said. You are an officer, I am hoping you can read. Either that, or you are just simply fronting to protect a cushy system for casual veterans.