"Fair and legitimate chance at a target" (cont)

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was less targets in Kunark that were doable by 19 dropable geared characters. This is why there generally was a 1 guild monopoly rather than 2 competing guilds. The leverage the monopoly guild's leadership had was much higher over the playerbase -- so could coerce people to track (a smaller number of targets) more regularly.

I really don't see the current raid scene socking a lot of the raid targets that long except the more important ones. They can't force anyone to track because the raids take too many players and 2 different guilds compete for available players. So they would have to prioritize targets.

80% of all Velious mobs are killable with 20 people or less. There's like 15 mobs that aren't slowable:

Vindi, Velk, Kreizenn, Vyemm, AoW, Dain, CT, Yelinak, Tunare, KT, Eashen, Ikatiar, WToV. Of those, only 4 need more than 35 to kill even still. Quite honestly, Kunark dragons can wipe out a raid force faster and more easily than almost any Velious mob. Enrage and Gate can be a bitch with thoes unavoidable AoEs.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Come on now Merkk don't lie! First it was 24 hour added window if it was due to spawn in the last 15% of the 96 hour window and we all know FE was the only guild that socked. Those 7 day exp groups in VS pit bro, never forget! haha

I vividly remember TMO never getting VS because we werent willing to sock it like that lol

Toxx I'll never forget the double vs. fe wipes tmo kills then BAM another vs.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Toxx I'll never forget the double vs. fe wipes tmo kills then BAM another vs.

Ill never forget the Hitpoint fte snipe for a solo wiz epic. More duct tape than exploit haha. Those were the days it was easiest to compete. Just put 1 person there and get fte and have tmo kill it, no yellow text to know lol.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I vividly remember TMO never getting VS because we werent willing to sock it like that lol

I vividly remember Zeelot socking the socks pretty hard, spamming auctions to buy FTE.

[Detoxx]

https://youtu.be/XHk-gkgZTTs

[Lhancelot]

It would be interesting if Rogean and crew decided to make some significant changes to the raid meta here.

If raid guilds are only conquering content using exploits like pulling mobs to the zone line to avoid having to kill anything else making it a fast kill why not make this tactic ban worthy? Why is this allowed? Perma root the mobs if need be.

If raids required more tactics and time to take down the targets, and more targets were up, wouldn't that also increase the chances of multiple guilds having chances at many different targets?

Other things should be addressed also to make for harder kills, like all the complete heal items and clickies people exploit here.

It just seems the way p99 allows the raiders to operate only makes for weak sauce raiding. Then they have the nerve to call this "competitive raiding".

Poopsocking shouldn't be the hardest aspect and biggest time consuming factor to an EQ raid imo.

I just think it would be a lot more fulfilling for truly competitive players if socking played a minor role in the meta of raiding, less clickies were used, and the challenge came from the actual fight against the mobs.

This would also create more respect between the guilds knowing that they were winning due to superior tactics and fighting, not superior sockers who had more time to sit and wait for pops coupled with a raid force that was expert at training mobs to zone lines for easy kills. This is lame.

[Skew]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would be interesting if Rogean and crew decided to make some significant changes to the raid meta here.

If raid guilds are only conquering content using exploits like pulling mobs to the zone line to avoid having to kill anything else making it a fast kill why not make this tactic ban worthy? Why is this allowed? Perma root the mobs if need be.

If raids required more tactics and time to take down the targets, and more targets were up, wouldn't that also increase the chances of multiple guilds having chances at many different targets?

Other things should be addressed also to make for harder kills, like all the complete heal items and clickies people exploit here.

It just seems the way p99 allows the raiders to operate only makes for weak sauce raiding. Then they have the nerve to call this "competitive raiding".

Poopsocking shouldn't be the hardest aspect and biggest time consuming factor to an EQ raid imo.

I just think it would be a lot more fulfilling for truly competitive players if socking played a minor role in the meta of raiding, less clickies were used, and the challenge came from the actual fight against the mobs.

This would also create more respect between the guilds knowing that they were winning due to superior tactics and fighting, not superior sockers who had more time to sit and wait for pops coupled with a raid force that was expert at training mobs to zone lines for easy kills. This is lame.

you spelt your name wrong. No silent H.
GL with your dreams and wishes on the meta game raid scene here.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ill never forget the Hitpoint fte snipe for a solo wiz epic. More duct tape than exploit haha. Those were the days it was easiest to compete. Just put 1 person there and get fte and have tmo kill it, no yellow text to know lol.

That was Myuharin, not hitpoint.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would be interesting if Rogean and crew decided to make some significant changes to the raid meta here.

If raid guilds are only conquering content using exploits like pulling mobs to the zone line to avoid having to kill anything else making it a fast kill why not make this tactic ban worthy? Why is this allowed? Perma root the mobs if need be.

If raids required more tactics and time to take down the targets, and more targets were up, wouldn't that also increase the chances of multiple guilds having chances at many different targets?

Other things should be addressed also to make for harder kills, like all the complete heal items and clickies people exploit here.

It just seems the way p99 allows the raiders to operate only makes for weak sauce raiding. Then they have the nerve to call this "competitive raiding".

Poopsocking shouldn't be the hardest aspect and biggest time consuming factor to an EQ raid imo.

I just think it would be a lot more fulfilling for truly competitive players if socking played a minor role in the meta of raiding, less clickies were used, and the challenge came from the actual fight against the mobs.

This would also create more respect between the guilds knowing that they were winning due to superior tactics and fighting, not superior sockers who had more time to sit and wait for pops coupled with a raid force that was expert at training mobs to zone lines for easy kills. This is lame.

What is happening in TOV isn't socking. Socking is what people like FOh and Anon do in fear for the golems where they just sit on the spawns for 16 hours. Socking is when real or VS goes into the last hour and 200 people are logged in and waiting.

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would be interesting if Rogean and crew decided to make some significant changes to the raid meta here.

If raid guilds are only conquering content using exploits like pulling mobs to the zone line to avoid having to kill anything else making it a fast kill why not make this tactic ban worthy? Why is this allowed? Perma root the mobs if need be.

If raids required more tactics and time to take down the targets, and more targets were up, wouldn't that also increase the chances of multiple guilds having chances at many different targets?

Other things should be addressed also to make for harder kills, like all the complete heal items and clickies people exploit here.

It just seems the way p99 allows the raiders to operate only makes for weak sauce raiding. Then they have the nerve to call this "competitive raiding".

Poopsocking shouldn't be the hardest aspect and biggest time consuming factor to an EQ raid imo.

I just think it would be a lot more fulfilling for truly competitive players if socking played a minor role in the meta of raiding, less clickies were used, and the challenge came from the actual fight against the mobs.

This would also create more respect between the guilds knowing that they were winning due to superior tactics and fighting, not superior sockers who had more time to sit and wait for pops coupled with a raid force that was expert at training mobs to zone lines for easy kills. This is lame.

Having never raided on live during this era and coming to this server to experience Classic Everquest raiding, I never knew until now that classic Everquest raiders were using Soulfire CH clickys for days. When I found that out, it literally ruined everything I ever thought about the classic EQ raid scene. Talk about easy mode gaming.

Live Sleeper kill??? Seru??? Lies. All Lies.