Sky - Overseer of Air

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So then it did happen, right? You admit that AG was in the process of clearing island 1. Anything else is just semantics.

I guess readers can decide whether killing two trash mobs (which AG did) is the same as wiping an entire island of trash mobs and the boss (which AG hasn't been shown to do) or not.

In my opinion you are at best being disingenuous.

You are fabricating a myth of AG repeatedly clearing isle 1 on off days.

An admission of killing two trash mobs is not proof of AG repeatedly clearing isle 1, no matter how much you might claim they are semantically the same.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess readers can decide whether killing two trash mobs (which AG did) is the same as wiping an entire island of trash mobs and the boss (which AG hasn't been shown to do) or not.

The question that has been brought up is that why would you have bothered killing just two at all? That's a clear intent to kill the princess. If anybody is being disingenuous, it's you and the rest of the AG white knights in the thread that are trying to spin that it didn't happen. It happened. Quit denying it. It's part of the problem that influenced a lot of people to make the decision to kill OoAs. Just because Rustle has been found guilty on more than one occasion doesn't excuse AG from sharing the guilt. The smaller guilds are sending a strong message that they're not going to put up with bad behavior.

Leaving OoAs up is obviously in bad faith since it only benefits the people willing to behave poorly in order to acquire pixels.

[Jimjam]

What are you saying didn't happen? Are you saying AG didn't realise their mistake and didn't stop at two?

How on earth is
"We went to sky one evening, thought the slot was abandoned because the mobs were still up at 8:15PM, got started, decided to double check, realise our mistake and then make amends with Hydra"
white knighting?

[Fasttimes]

this whole thread and points made are dumb. hopefully samoht will keep posting tho, please do.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What are you saying didn't happen? Are you saying AG didn't realise their mistake and didn't stop at two?

How on earth is
"We went to sky one evening, thought the slot was abandoned because the mobs were still up at 8:15PM, got started, decided to double check, realise our mistake and then make amends with Hydra"
white knighting?

Because of the spin.

How on earth is
"We went to sky one evening, didn't bother to check if the spot was occupied, didn't send any tells before we started, started clearing"
Not an intent to kill the princess?

I don't really care if you changed your mind after you started. For some reason, you're arguing semantics that you didn't really "clear" anything. You started clearing. You had the intent to finish clearing. You are now lumped in with the guilds that have cleared island 1 on the night designated for someone else. In the future, AG will hopefully be proactive and either buy their keys or check to see if the spot is occupied in advance, but for now, AG is a proven example of why smaller guilds are going to ignore your OoA agreement.

[Jimjam]

I suggest you're assuming a lot more planning and intention than exists on something like a Noble kill.

People know they need to get to isle 1.5 to kill noble now, so that's what they start doing (in a leaderless mass). Perhaps someone starts pulls without really considering the consequences.

Someone else steps in and points out why this can be a mistake.

With a semblance of leadership and consideration established mistakes are redeemed.

Despite what you may think AG/CSG are not a hive mind!

Also starting something is not the same as finishing things. If by 'semantics' you are saying 'the meaning of the words', then yes, maybe starting / finishing being different is the meaning of the words!

Claiming 'starting something' is equivalent to 'finishing something' is a ludicrous standard to set. Under such a principal: every time someone realises they might be making a mistake there would be no incentive to address that mistake; they may as well just continue with the mistaken action.

Agreed that we should hope AG will be proactive in the future with buying keys and checking if the island is booked, which as it happens AG has been doing since the moment that second thunder spirit was pulled and AG internally questioned what they were doing.

[Samoht]

See? You are literally arguing semantics.

I've got an example of AG clearing island 1. You want to focus in on the word "clearing" and not accept that AG did it. You cannot undo it, and no amount of wordsmithing is going to make it disappear.

But they didn't finish! When they started, they had clear intent to finish. But it was a regular member and not an officer! Regular members are still members of the guild (except for Aftermath "alts" according to AM members) and need to consider how their actions reflect on the guild tag. But it was just that one time! It's still a valid example.

I don't care about your excuses. Just like I don't care about your OoA agreement.

[Fasttimes]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See? You are literally arguing semantics.

I've got an example of AG clearing island 1. You want to focus in on the word "clearing" and not accept that AG did it. You cannot undo it, and no amount of wordsmithing is going to make it disappear.

But they didn't finish! When they started, they had clear intent to finish. But it was a regular member and not an officer! Regular members are still members of the guild (except for Aftermath "alts" according to AM members) and need to consider how their actions reflect on the guild tag.

I don't care about your excuses. Just like I don't care about your OoA agreement.

No one does, keep clearing them, thanks.

[kotton05]

No one cares about Hello kitty adventure time sky mob arguments Sam.... except for you...
It's prolly time to move along bud...

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See? You are literally arguing semantics.

I've got an example of AG clearing island 1. You want to focus in on the word "clearing" and not accept that AG did it. You cannot undo it, and no amount of wordsmithing is going to make it disappear.

But they didn't finish! When they started, they had clear intent to finish. But it was a regular member and not an officer! Regular members are still members of the guild (except for Aftermath "alts" according to AM members) and need to consider how their actions reflect on the guild tag. But it was just that one time! It's still a valid example.

I don't care about your excuses. Just like I don't care about your OoA agreement.

'Wordsmith'! That sounds so grand!

You have an example of AG killing two thunder spirits in the space of 72 seconds whilst they realise 'oops timezones, lets get in touch with hydra and give them plat for 6 isle 2 keys'. This is the example I provided you of AG identifying and rectifying a one off mistake.

To throw it back in my face and misrepresent it as an example for 'repeatedly ninja isle 1 and don't compensate' is codswallop, and I hope people can see that for what it is.


Edit: I'd like to go back to my previous request of whether someone in the hydra alliance could post their experiences of that fateful night?