5k Bounty for Classic Research (Are You a Wayback Machine Pro?)

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/show...Tanker-handout

Very nice find Daldaen, thank you!

I'm still a little curious, just because that source is from 2005 (it references the "Dragons of Norath" expansion, which I'd never even heard of, and I played for years after the classic period). As a result, what they refer to as "the old formula" might just be the formula from 2004-2005. In other words, if there was ever a change to the formula in the six year period before that post (not an unreasonable possibility), it may not have shown up in that post ... but there's no way to know as there's no "old old formula" mentioned there.

Still, that was great sleuthing, so maybe I should award half the prize? I totally want to be fair and give the promised reward, but since the above doesn't conclusively show that successes affected skill-ups in 1999-2001 it doesn't feel like it quite meets the criteria.

I'll leave it up to the forum: at the very least I owe Daldaen (or a proxy of his choosing) 2.5k, and if the consensus is that this is conclusive proof and I'm just being nitpicky then Daldaen will win the whole thing.

[Lhancelot]

Have faith in the forumquesters here, ask your question and nearly everytime it will get some sort of response and answer with zero reward needed.

I am pretty sure Daldaen, Rygar, etc. would have tried to help regardless of a 5k reward being offered.

All a reward offer did was create dialogue that had nothing to do with the actual question in the thread. Like my post here. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Baler]

REAL WORLD TRADE

If staff let this slide they have to allow other Real World Trades with In Game plat acceptable.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

REAL WORLD TRADE

If staff let this slide they have to allow other Real World Trades with In Game plat acceptable.

While I understand the "slipper slope" argument, I have to disagree with this. The staff are not automatons, they're people. If they can reasonably distinguish "real RMT" from an attempt to make the server more classic then they can absolutely allow one and not the other. Hell, that's the legal standard of obscenity right (you know it when you see it)?

I'm not saying I won't get in trouble for this, but I'm willing to take the chance, and at least if I am wrong hopefully the staff will take mercy on me because of my intentions.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While I understand the "slipper slope" argument,

So it's okay for me to sell everything and anything related to p99 or classic everquest for in game plat?

Information specifically.

I'll join an 'enemy' guild just to sell information about them. Based on loramin's "bounty" this is acceptable atm. Given the staff have not closed this yet.
This isn't eve online where scamming and subterfuge is allowed.

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again I know people are going to call me bad names for being so picky. but slippery slope or not. This is bad. BECAUSE OF BAD EGGS IN THE PAST.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So it's okay for me to sell everything and anything related to p99 or classic everquest for in game plat?

Information specifically.

I'll join an 'enemy' guild just to sell information about them. Based on Loriman's "bounty" this is acceptable atm. Given the staff have no closed this yet.

C'mon let's not get crazy here. What I'm saying is, the staff are people: there's a guy sitting behind a keyboard being Llandris or Sirken or whoever. I don't think those people are stupid: they've shown plenty of evidence of just the opposite in these forums.

So if you and I can both tell that my offer is different from people trying to better themselves through RMT, and the staff aren't dummies, then why can't they?

[Baler]

But you're literally offering to pay people in game plat for information outside the game.

There are no exceptions for being a 'good guy'.
Which I think you are, a good guy with good intentions. Just your decision here is clearly unknowingly a bad move.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But you're literally offering to pay people in game plat for information outside the game.

I think the "outside" part is questionable, since the results of my findings may well impact the mechanics of the game itself (or, more likely, will just satisfy my curiosity ... but there's a chance it will affect the game).

But look, I hear your concern. One person says "hey I'll give 100k plat to the first person who donates $40 to my breast cancer charity", and it sounds ok so the staff allows it. Then the next person says "hey I'll give 100k plat to anyone who donates to my (100% fake) charity", and before you know it we've got RMT. The whole slippery slope thing is real.

But what I'm saying is, this isn't establishing a legal precedent that RMT is ok. This is human beings drawing a hard-line ("RMT" is ok if and only if the only beneficiary is the server/common knowledge). As long as they hold to that line, and are able to clearly tell whether an "RMT attempt" falls on one side of it or the other, then there's no slippery slope risk.

[Baler]

I've said what I have to say. It's up to the staff.

Whether Paying in game currency/items for information outside the game is allowed or not.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Baler stop being a stick in the mud.