Ninja looted by Zoolex

[Pico]

Zoolex tells the group, 'roll if you want the ger, i pray i roll a high number'

Zoolex tells the group, 'fucking druid'

Give him his ring you idiot.

[Daldolma]

Am I missing something? Some of you people are apparently confusing the timeline right now. Re-read the group-chat window. Bargearse states that the roll is NBG. Upon the random, Bargearse, Morbo, and Shri all seemingly express confusion over the fact that a druid would roll on the ring. The druid then defends the roll by stating that he isn't wearing a ring. It was clearly an NBG situation as far as the group was concerned -- everyone knew it, including the druid. He's trying to play it off as a 'need' roll. If you're all seriously claiming that a druid rolling NBG on a Gem Encrusted Ring is legitimate because he didn't have a ring slot, you're being absurd.

It's a melee ring. It's totally legitimate for a tank to roll NBG on it -- it's 10ac, 7 strength. Is it better than 5ac/55hp? Meh, probably not for tanking, especially at lower levels, but a tank is also a melee -- and in the event that he's not the main tank (on a raid, in a poorly formed group, etc), this is best in slot for him. How do you defend NBG on a 10ac, 7 strength ring for a druid? Seriously? Buy a damn silver jasper ring -- it costs 10 platinum and it's better for you than a GER. But this guy probably has jasper rings bagged, anyway. Just remind me to un-equip my rogue's boots next time I land a spot in an Efreeti group. NBG on GEBs guys, I don't have a foot slot.

You people are misdirecting your anti-greed rants. It was poor form to ninja loot either way, but that roll should have been disallowed.

[Pico]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Am I missing something?

Yes...

Zoolex tells the group, 'roll if you want the ger, i pray i roll a high number'

[Savok]

Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zoolex tells the group, 'roll if you want the ger, i pray i roll a high number'

Zoolex tells the group, 'fucking druid'

Give him his ring you idiot.

+1

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes...

I didn't miss that -- you're missing the point. The fact that the guy called for a roll doesn't mean it wasn't NBG. Everyone in the group, INCLUDING THE DRUID, acknowledges that it's NBG. Three different people, not including Zoolex, say something to the effect of "Huh? Why is the druid rolling?" At which point, the druid explains that he has a right to NBG roll because he doesn't have a ring slot. It's ridiculous.

Look, there are two parts to this equation:

#1 - do you agree that the group was rolling NBG? Based on the group chat, there should be no debate over this.

#2 - does a druid actually have a right to NBG roll on a Gem Encrusted Ring? I guess this is debatable, but if you seriously believe the druid would have rolled on this if it was no drop, you're 'tarded.

[Pico]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#1 - do you agree that the group was rolling NBG? Based on the group chat, there should be no debate over this.

No, obviously there is debate over this because Zoolex himself said roll if you want it. Probably the loot rules weren't really established, or else why the hell would he say that?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, obviously there is debate over this because Zoolex himself said roll if you want it.

This. The group was told to "roll if you want." Druid wanted. Druid rolled and won. Anything beyond that is backpedalling.

Give the GER to the druid, and next time pay attention to your instructions to the group when something drops... i.e. if the GER was supposed to be NBG, do not say "roll if you want it". Instead, perhaps you should say "NBG roll on GER, melee classes only." if that's in fact what you meant.

Besides that, all of these arguments since Kunark has been released have seemingly been over the concept of "NBG". It's stupid. NBG in your guild groups where you have a vested interest in the person needing it most getting it. One man's "need" is another man's "why the F would you need that??!?!?!? /petition!!!!!!!"

[Daldolma]

Why wouldn't he say it? How do you call for a roll? He was just calling for a roll. I guess 'roll if you need it' would have been more appropriate, but you're playing semantics. Three people asked why a druid was rolling. Then the druid explained himself in terms of NBG. Then Zoolex got pissed that a druid rolled and decided to ninja loot the ring. Despite the fact that 4 different people in the group commented on the fact that it was NBG, not including Zoolex, you're claiming it's debatable based on the fact that Zoolex said 'roll if you want it'? Everyone in the group -- again, including the druid -- seemed to understand that it was NBG. I don't think there's any legitimate debate over that fact.

[Bruno]

The best part about all of this is that regardless of who is going to end up with it/did end up with it, it's getting sold in EC if it hasn't been already. The tank will buy tank gear or the druid will buy wisdom gear. The dude shouldn't have taken the ring after he lost the roll.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess 'roll if you need it' would have been more appropriate, but you're playing semantics.

And so is the group, in terms of "Need Before Greed".

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Three people asked why a druid was rolling. Then the druid explained himself in terms of NBG.

Exactly. But that suddenly wasn't good enough for the group. Suddenly, the "NBG" got further refined to melees only without the druid knowing.

If the druid had known the group's definition of "need" was melees only up front, a) he probably wouldn't have rolled, creating this situation in the first place, and b) he could have decided at that point that the group wasn't for him. In which case, as someone said above, good luck getting any healers to join in your PUG if they have zero chance at rolling on the rare droppable item that they can sell for something they could use.

The fundamental issue is that "need" is subjectively defined. The druid genuinely felt he "needed" the ring. Who are we to judge on that? Maybe he needs the STR for encumberance issues. Maybe he needs the 10 AC for some damage mitigation while he's playing ghetto CC by rootparking or to take a few hits before an evac, I don't know. And you or the group doesn't know either.

Hence the problem with "NBG" rolls in pickup groups...