Why are most of the artists in the USA democrats?

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying historically right-wing groups and media didn't attack and discredit the gay rights movement, Rodney King, women wanting the right to vote, African-Americans not having to take literacy tests, etc.?

There's FUD about African-Americans being sub-human going back to before America was even discovered. None of this is new.

quick reply on the go...

Whatever you;'re talking about here isnt a part of regular society but small pockets of people who you chose t listen to.

They also failed at protecting their precious beliefs that you think are so harmful, because we've managed to make both women and minorities equal in modern society.

Most of the things you think are racist are the result of other factors, you just choose to look at the surface of the problems, meaning skin color and then assuming that is the culprit.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In all honesty though, I can't believe you are genuinely too dumb to understand the points that I make...You are dishonest or you are an idiot. There is also the offchance that you are simply blinded by arrogance, but I don't think so.

Wow, with an opener like that I'll totally read and respond constructively to your post ...






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[loramin]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you just choose to look at the surface of the problems, meaning skin color and then assuming that is the culprit.

Nope, quite to the contrary I agree that a lot of the problems some minorities face are a direct result of their social class, not their skin color (although of course how people react to that skin color and how that minority came to be poor are both related to their historical disadvantage ...).

In fact, you may have noticed that in my "treatise" on how we solve race problems one of my central points was that we should target lower social classes for help, with the assumption being that since minorities are disproportionately poor, if you help the poor you wind up helping more minorities than white people. Forget about (for instance) affirmative action based on race: if you give poor kids in general an advantage over rich kids, you effectively give an advantage to minorities (or at least the poorer ones that really need it).

But at the same time, there are some legitimate color issues. Cops don't just pull over, frame, beat, etc. poor people, they target blacks and Latinos (and this has been proven empirically: eg. Boston police target blacks disproportionately) . No matter how rich you are (and there have been examples of black senators, businessmen, etc. facing this) cops treat you different based on the color of your skin. This is the sort of thing we can only combat by using one of the other key points in my treatise, the one about changing how African-Americans are represented in TV and other pop culture so that cops (who are only human and watch the same TV as the rest of us) won't see/treat minorities differently.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow, with an opener like that I'll totally read and respond constructively to your post ...






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I wouldn't expect you to. You are a small malevolent entity, insecure
and driven to find groups whom you can subordinate to elevate your own sense of self worth while wallowing in hypocrisy, purporting to champion diversity, but rejecting it in full.

wake up

[skarlorn]

Holy heck I've never seen maskedmelon post with such righteous fury. May have to zoom in on the back log

[loramin]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Holy heck I've never seen maskedmelon post with such righteous fury. May have to zoom in on the back log

Yeah I know, me neither! Hell, even when Mick and I disagree (ie. all of the time) not even he comes at me with that level of personal bitterness (it's a more like a general crazed rage .... I <3 you Mick!).

I'm certain Melon won't believe it, but I do try to engage in these discussions honestly with everyone. I do it with the (probably futile) goal of changing people's minds, not to "win" (honestly what's there's to win here? Anyone arguing serious topics in a 15+ year old elf sim forum is a loser [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]). Furthermore that's actually been doubly true with Melon since I honestly respect and agree with the majority of his(?) posts outside this thread ... and yet my efforts only seem to further convince melon that I'm a dishonest troll, generating more rage and drawing more insults.

At this point ... well a person can only engage in civil discourse for so long when the other side isn't being civil, so I guess it's better we both go our separate ways.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the sort of thing we can only combat by using one of the other key points in my treatise, the one about changing how African-Americans are represented in TV and other pop culture so that cops (who are only human and watch the same TV as the rest of us) won't see/treat minorities differently.

This is very naive if you think this will alter prejudiced white peoples views of blacks.

Prejudiced whites that watch black celebrities on TV or black athletes in sports don't recognize these celebrities as typical black people, these celebrities are "different."

The only way you change the hearts of prejudiced people to recognize other groups of people they hate as actual people is to have them spend time around them, to get to know them, so they can learn to understand them as actual human beings that share the same problems, loves, etc. in life.

The problem is, this is very hard to accomplish. Point is, no amount of watching LeBron James on TV is going to humanize black people to prejudiced whites.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only way you change the hearts of prejudiced people to recognize other groups of people they hate as actual people is to have them spend time around them, to get to know them, so they can learn to understand them as actual human beings that share the same problems, loves, etc. in life.

The problem is, this is very hard to accomplish. Point is, no amount of watching LeBron James on TV is going to humanize black people to prejudiced whites.

So there's layers right? There's stuff "at the front", like a cop who calls someone a ******. I think we can agree watching American History X probably won't make that guy stop using that word (although who knows, it could). But what I'm talking about is more the institutional racism, which interestingly enough even affects the discriminated (yes, even black police officers treat blacks worse than whites). To solve institutional problems you have to change the institution, or at least the part that sets our thoughts and beliefs ... ie. the media.

Our brains have visual pattern recognition built-in at a deep level. This was handy when quickly deciding whether to run towards or away from some animal out on the savannah ("I've seen this lion pattern before, and I don't want to run towards it ..."), but it's less useful in judging the character of your co-worker based on their skin color. Seeing Le Bron James play basketball won't cure racism sure, but seeing black men (in-person or in the media) doing lots of things other than play sports and commit crimes will cure your brain of the pattern "black person = athlete or criminal".

[AzzarTheGod]

because the party system is divided by "social issues".

the artists have to act accordingly to appeal to the most human beings possible. you do that by not associating with the "exclusive party" the repubs. they will never be openly repub/conservative until religion (religion always means Catholics/Puritans) leaves the republican party.


music and art are secular pursuits. repubs are not a secular party.


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[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So there's layers right? There's stuff "at the front", like a cop who calls someone a ******. I think we can agree watching American History X probably won't make that guy stop using that word (although who knows, it could). But what I'm talking about is more the institutional racism, which interestingly enough even affects the discriminated (yes, even black police officers treat blacks worse than whites). To solve institutional problems you have to change the institution, or at least the part that sets our thoughts and beliefs ... ie. the media.

Our brains have visual pattern recognition built-in at a deep level. This was handy when quickly deciding whether to run towards or away from some animal out on the savannah, but it's less useful in judging the character of your co-worker based on their skin color. Seeing Le Bron James play basketball won't cure racism sure, but seeing black men doing lots of things other than play sports and commit crimes will cure your brain of the pattern "black person = athlete or criminal".

I get your point man. I do. But it's wrong.

People watching TV do not apply what they see to their in-brain true thoughts/feelings when it comes to such deepseated feelings as hatred and prejudices of other races.

Their brains will always alter and filter what they see as these blacks being special, or different and not one bit will they accept them as a true representation of that entire race as a whole. As they shouldn't. Honestly these blacks on TV are different, they are celebrities ffs. Just as whites on TV are hardly like real whites IRL.

We bridge gaps between cultures and remove racism by actual experience within other cultures, not by watching them on TV or listening to their music!

This is why often times people DO become more accepting of other races when they work with people of other races. They probably would never go hang out with Bobby The Black Man but when work puts Bobby The Black Man with you to work with, you kind of have to get to know Bobby The Black Man. Workplaces are great to learn about other cultures and races because they often times put us together with people we otherwise would never be around.