Some of you got your wish

[skarlorn]

TURN EM INTO BOLOGNA

[loramin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you want to do something good, help them stop. help them fix themself or help them manage their problems. don't give them a place to safely continue destroying themself. that's awful :c

Seriously Melon, I don't mean to be rude (especially given our history), but it's not like an addict's family has never thought to help them. So when you essentially say "keep doing what you're doing, even though it doesn't work", what you're really saying is "screw addicts, let them die: that's better than me spending money on freebies for them".

It's like telling someone with cancer "Cancer patients don't deserve freebies, just have your family pray for you." In the case of tobacco-smoking lung cancer victims, that's pretty equivalent to needle-using drug addicts. In either case, you can pretend that you care about the cancer patient/addict and their family, but really you're telling them to fuck off and die.

I'd argue that we should all be grateful we're not addicted to anything (except an elf sim), we should all have sympathy for both addicts and their families, and we should do whatever we can do to help them ... especially if that only means funding relatively cheap clean needle programs, so that the addicts can live long enough to get clean.

[Lulz~Sect]

Rehab work d for someone I care about. (alcohol) If she didn’t pull herself though the program and sober up she might have become destitute or worse. It’s worth providing the tools to help save lives even if it means tax dollars at work.

I’m undecided about needle exchange.

[Pokesan]

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[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

have you ever done heroin or are you LARPing its pretty addictive man. if you don't think a chemical can be addictive go snort some MXE and get back to me lol. habitual and chemical addictions are not the same, though both can simultaneously exist. idk wake me up when people start getting pot dependency withdrawls.

IDK if its "just as bad" on a chemical level. But all this stuff is similar to pot addiction. Yes, if you smoke everyday for a long time and stop -- you not sleep, you will not be hungry, you might even be sick, you will irritable, shaky and sweaty.

Heroin withdraw is worse. It lasts longer and its more intense. When your on heroin, you are useless. Being useless for long periods of time followed by intense withdraw is likely to cause what exactly? Very desperate behavior. There obviously going to be out of money and their whole body is screaming for heroin.

I'm not saying heroin addiction isn't worse. It's more that I'm saying the mechanisms work similarly. In fact, they suggest trying to pick up pot to quit heroin these days.

In Vietnam, heroine addict soldiers that came home and went through withdraw mostly stopped...except a minority of addicts. They were addicts before they took that drug. 100%. That's all I'm saying. Or they would dry out and quit.

Who here knows a heroin addict that didn't dry out at least once? I mean -- if that's you needed, to dry out and let your brain start rewiring itself, then jail is a good solution.

But, if that really doesn't help the long term addiction...its a waste of resources isn't it?

[skarlorn]

You can get heroin in jail. My source is The Wire.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously Melon, I don't mean to be rude (especially given our history), but it's not like an addict's family has never thought to help them. So when you essentially say "keep doing what you're doing, even though it doesn't work", what you're really saying is "screw addicts, let them die: that's better than me spending money on freebies for them".

it's okay, that's not what I said though. this isn't about money.

It's like telling someone with cancer "Cancer patients don't deserve freebies, just have your family pray for you." In the case of tobacco-smoking lung cancer victims, that's pretty equivalent to needle-using drug addicts. In either case, you can pretend that you care about the cancer patient/addict and their family, but really you're telling them to fuck off and die.

it's not about freebies, lor. it's about being an implement of suffering. I have three questions for you:

1. do you believe suffering is good?
2. do you believe that suffering should be minimized?
3. do you understand that safe injection sites subsidize suffering?

I'd argue that we should all be grateful we're not addicted to anything (except an elf sim), we should all have sympathy for both addicts and their families, and we should do whatever we can do to help them ...

we should.

especially if that only means funding relatively cheap clean needle programs, so that the addicts can live long enough to get clean.

it doesn't.

[skarlorn]

*massages the melon*

[maskedmelon]

lol, he not irking me too much cus I know he's not serious ^^ ty though


*melts*

[Lemonhead]

We seem to view this problem as "junkies" crawling the streets and alleys. This is simply a myth. The great majority are (semi)functioning adults, even many heroin addicts. They are your coworkers, your athlete heroes, your neighbors, your family. And I promise you, you won't know, even those close to you. It's a really easy addiction to hide for a long time. (maybe not shooting up, but most aren't doing that)

There are more deaths from prescription opiods than from street opiods. But deaths are only the tip of the spear. This addiction digs deeper into the soul than you can imagine (pot? what?). And coming out of it is NOT just a week or 2 of withdrawal.

It is a battle to take your mind back and the Demon does not give up for a long, long time, if ever. Do opiates long enough (especially addictively), and it rewrites what it means to be a mammal, much less human. All pleasure, reward, motivation, lust, love gets tied to the Beast and removed from all other action.

It takes a lot of work and a lot of self-awareness (like only an addict can truely experience in some ways) to re-write the reward system in the brain. The longer away from reality, the longer the re-write takes. That's why the solutions are not simple, and why they go back 90% of the time. (PS. I volunteer in this field some and obviously have some experience)

Add: And all addictions have some element of this. It's just that opiates are just so effective at mimicking pure joy, but any drug can have similar struggles.