Awakened 30 day

[Baler]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you think your petition would cause Sirken to throw Awakened an ice cream party?

pizza party with bloomin onions confirmed. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Check12345]

So on the day this went down, did Culk ask AW to leave ToV?

[Vorkon]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, "conceding" doesn't work in a 3+ guild environment.
No, thats right, I thought so.

Its working in VP with A/A/PS, which admittedly has some different nuances but still working.

so...

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing here explains why you didnt come to us when you know the GMs love suspending A/A and typically we offer whatever is needed to not have petitions put in when we fuck up. This is a large slap in the face to my entire community and we have you and CSG to thank. Cannot believe I have wasted time trying to deal with you guys in the past, total sucker for thinking it would create an open line of communication for the future for when stuff like this arises. Not a single message was sent to me that this was something CSG was seeking, total joke of a justice system where the guilty parties do not even know they are being thrown in jail until they wake up behind bars.

Everytime I have reached out to you, I have gotten a "sorry, all we can co is condede the next 2-4 mobs, that Aftermath will then kill" answer - why is that a door I need to keep knocking? I reached out to you about something 6 months ago (not raid infraction related), you told me you would talk with officers about it and get back to me, and decided not to.
I get that its a large slap to the community, and I quite frankly hate it - but its on you as a leader Eratani. You and the other officers. You, and the Aftermath officers, have told us time and time again, that this is the ONLY way to play on P99. No exceptions, no gifts, no "wellfare" - this and this alone "learn to compete, learn to petitionquest".

I think its shit that most of your members who just log on for the pixels gets banged for 30 days because Kelz couldn't control a train, I really do. But it doesn't change the fact that we had casual people wasting 90 man hours because it happened, and no matter how much you concede, it makes zero difference to us, because Aftermath will just kill it. I think there are a lot of really nice people in Awakened, but you are part of a raid scene that you have chosen to be part of, that effectively locks 95% of the server population out of raid content.
There are a lot of former Europa in Awakened I still consider friends, and that I hate will now have to spend 30 days on the sidelines, but they knew they joined a guild where this can happen, and by history, happens quite frequently. I am not proud of it, I am not even happy about it - but you taught me that this is how to play on P99 - show me another way?

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it is your choice to add a 'grieveance' petition after the rules were properly followed. The theme of my fellow AW posters in this thread is simple: What more should we have done? I have yet to really see an answer because it seems the moment this accident ( that has been apologized for by OPmeter) occurred we had no way to correct it.

Your response here is very tellsing, basically its your 'just desserts' for years of 'bad things' but how in the world is that suppose to be viable for guilds to correct mistakes and move forward for the better. It seems grudges are the main theme in this raid scene and while everyone wants to say the right thing to each other, all we really do is scan hours of Everquest fraps footage looking for any disturbances in the matrix.

There is no justice being served here, what rule was broken that had no correct follow up action to warrant a month off? All the answers to this question involve previous accepted norms when it comes to interactions between A/A and any other guild. We are not bad guys, we simply raid more than anyone else. When you raid more, more shit tends to happen bc Everquest happens. P99 will forever be remembered as Petition99, which is pretty sad tbh.

Just to play devil's advocate here, just because awakened conceded fesh Doesn't mean csg isn't screwed over. Even if awakened conceded csg could lose both the mob they were engaged with and the mob that was conceded, so the guild that loses the most is the one who did nothing wrong.

3 guilds at entrance is bad.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Check12345 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So on the day this went down, did Culk ask AW to leave ToV?

Culk wasn't around that day, but its a question been raised many times in the past, both in conversations with leadership and staff, and also on 1-2-1 basis, though not with Eratani to be fair to him.

[Foxplay]

Well p99 is so min/max that guilds would rather have complicated rules and restrictions to how they can engage raid targets so they can pull them in ways never done on classic servers (least not on any I remember) so they can have dragons dead in a few minutes rather than a few hours, which is understandable but it definitely causes situations like this and many others as people have said mistakes happen ppl screw up. This isn't to say they are not responsible... Intended or unintentionally training is training you don't get out of a car wreck just because you didn't mean to plow into a Honda Civic with your Ford F150

Personally I'd rather spawn variance taken out (it's not classic goes against the intent of the server) Then make zone disruption rules for ToV stating no merbs can be pulled outside the wing they originated from (zone in and 4way can't be trained) or impose the non classic era root the dragons patch

[Sonderbeast]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It basically becomes a rotation once every guild but one is banned at any point in time!

I think we found Baler's solution right here.

[Wfrench1234]

This is kinda funny. In the “healthy raid scene” thread I mentioned that if you ever have a problem with PS just talk to us we will do whatever it takes to make things right, we are reasonable, and a 9 month old mistake got brought up and our guild got dragged thru the RNF mud. Now I see you guys making the same statement and are surprised that you are getting the same kind of response.

[Argh]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What more should we have done?

Probably should have conceded one of your rotated mobs. You trained a guild while killing a target--thats about the most egregious offense that can be made regardless of whether it was a mistake or not.

If you train someone, and don't reach out to them and make a deal to squash the petition, expect to be petitioned. How long has it worked like this now, three years now?