AW...whelp..here it goes again...

[bspa0700]

Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't think there is anything grey at the fact that there was all of the mobs from the big room dropped at the doorway to Progenitor. There is 1 static mob and couple roamers at that spot, nothing you cannot get past without sneak after you FTE Progenitor. There is plenty of room in that big room to drop your train safely, but AM choose to drop it at that very spot where they knew it would hit our puller at the very same moment our puller was running past it.

I disagree. Being able to complain about trains being dropped on you is something that should only matter in an area where you have a reasonable expectation of safety. For example, if someone drops the Prog room of golems on you at zone in -- that's a train. If someone drops their aggro in the room they spawn in, and you're there -- that's where they spawn. That room isn't safe. Another guild has no obligation to keep an unsafe room, safe just for you.

[raato]

Originally Posted by bspa0700 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree. Being able to complain about trains being dropped on you is something that should only matter in an area where you have a reasonable expectation of safety. For example, if someone drops the Prog room of golems on you at zone in -- that's a train. If someone drops their aggro in the room they spawn in, and you're there -- that's where they spawn. That room isn't safe. Another guild has no obligation to keep an unsafe room, safe just for you.

Feel free to disagree. We are talking about a gigantic room where you can move pretty safely if you know what you are doing and AM dropping around 20 mobs that were gathered from all around that gigantic room at the spot in that room where there is usually only 1 mob and 1-2 roamers and which happens to be the doorway to the Progenitor. It's incredible how you guys wanna twist this all around, but the fact remains, AM dropped without announcing around 20 mobs at the spot where there shouldn't be 20 mobs, resulting our pullers dying. And according to the rules you are responsible for the mobs you choose to trainkite once you agro those mobs, if you drop those mobs at the spot where they shouldn't be and result is killing your competition, I would say its training on purpose. If we want to twist this back to the Wyverns near NToV doorway according to your interpretation of rules you could just repeatedly agro those wyverns and drop them of at the door to NToV when other guilds pull is happening because you cannot expect that spot to be reasonable safe when you run by there.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Feel free to disagree. We are talking about a gigantic room where you can move pretty safely if you know what you are doing and AM dropping around 20 mobs that were gathered from all around that gigantic room at the spot in that room where there is usually only 1 mob and 1-2 roamers and which happens to be the doorway to the Progenitor. It's incredible how you guys wanna twist this all around, but the fact remains, AM dropped without announcing around 20 mobs at the spot where there shouldn't be 20 mobs, resulting our pullers dying. And according to the rules you are responsible for the mobs you choose to trainkite once you agro those mobs, if you drop those mobs at the spot where they shouldn't be and result is killing your competition, I would say its training on purpose. If we want to twist this back to the Wyverns near NToV doorway according to your interpretation of rules you could just repeatedly agro those wyverns and drop them of at the door to NToV when other guilds pull is happening because you cannot expect that spot to be reasonable safe when you run by there.

Sorry mang you lost all credibility when every single KT race you would claim I cheated and was off the line but I was behind mostly everyone, including yourself, then threated to petition it with some terrible screenshot with the wrong character circled.

Did these things happen you speak of? I don't know, I wasn't there but I do know that I cant just take you at your word for it.

[raato]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry mang you lost all credibility when every single KT race you would claim I cheated and was off the line but I was behind mostly everyone, including yourself, then threated to petition it with some terrible screenshot with the wrong character circled.

Did these things happen you speak of? I don't know, I wasn't there but I do know that I cant just take you at your word for it.

Every single KT race was actually 1 KT race where you clearly were over the line and happened to also win the FTE. But whatever. I choose not to petition because the ruling was unclear at the time, you could stand on the line apparently at the time making it very hard to judge if character were actually over the line completely or not with huge pile of characters covering the whole startline. Week or two after that race Sirken was checking the raceline and DTing both Aw and Am members that were over the line, not completely behind it, and didnt move back when told to.

I still remember when I asked you to step back you told that everyone else is also standing past the line and that very same reasoning has been used so many times by both A/A. I remember one time when you and Breaken couldn't agree not to cheat (alt-tabbing) when either of you couldn't trust that the other party would not cheat. Pretty much sums it up how AM leadership views cheating: "It is not cheating if others do it too, even when the rules clearly say its cheating".

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Tune_rustler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless what either of you say its fucking sad that you're both 30-35 year old men arguing over an imaginary race line in a 19 year old game.

You both must be riveting people to have conversations with at social events.

Kirban Manaburn / Speedd Haxx

PKer & Master Trainer and Terrorist of Sullon Zek
Kills: 1278, Deaths: 76, Killratio: 16.82

Pot, meet kettle.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kirban Manaburn / Speedd Haxx

PKer & Master Trainer and Terrorist of Sullon Zek
Kills: 1278, Deaths: 76, Killratio: 16.82

Pot, meet kettle.

YOU WAS OFF THE LINE DETOXX

[mattydef]

If a guild chooses to use the tactic of training mobs instead of killing them they should be responsible for that train, regardless if another guild is trying to leapfrog them.

[Cardnyl]

Originally Posted by thebutthat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Welp, fuck this server. Who wants my stuff.

Can I borrow your fungi? Just let me know when you want it back I got a toon I need to level on the quick. Real talk here, no bs.

[Jaxon]

Tune was Kirban?

Respect.

[shutrmcgavin]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kirban Manaburn / Speedd Haxx

PKer & Master Trainer and Terrorist of Sullon Zek
Kills: 1278, Deaths: 76, Killratio: 16.82

Pot, meet kettle.

lol'd