Bin Laden's dead

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

here's a list of organizations and people that have argued against conspiracy theories behind the 9/11 attacks: the US National Institute of Standards

Perhaps you missed my earlier post. Just about every single person you cited as so called "evidence" is an arab hating, neocon Zionist who would love nothing more than for the US to invade every muslim country on earth for them. These are all war mongering propagandists and you claim they're actually credible.

- Stephen Cauffman, Jewish Neocon Zionist - point-man on the NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) cover-up of the WTC 7 controlled demolition. NIST continues to maintain that fire alone brought down WTC 7.

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Popular Mechanics magazine

Benjamin Chertoff - Jewish Neocon Zionist, the first cousin of Michael Chertoff, wrote the 9/11 hit piece in Popular Mechanics debunking “9/11 conspiracy theories.”

Michael Chertoff - Jewish Neocon Zionist, dual citizen of US and Israel, Director of Homeland Security. Co-author of patriot act

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the 9/11 Commission Report

Philip Zelikow (Jewish US-Israeli dual citizen) - wrote blatantly false 9/11 commission report

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Noam Chomsky

After being cornered on this issue for the 1000th time, eventually Noam Chomsky said "it doesn't even matter if 9/11 was a staged event", it's on video tape, you can look it up yourself. Also, why are you naming only Jewish people like they would actually be unbiased and credible on this issue?

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

MIT Engineering Professor Thomas Eagar

And guess what, here's an MIT engineer Jeff King saying the exact opposite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCLHL5iToJ8

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You cannot get thousands of people in on a conspiracy theory as horrific as mass murder without it leaking out over the course of a decade. It is not logical.

It already has leaked out. For some reason you seem to think something can only be true if every neocon Zionist on earth tells you it's a fact.

[moklianne]

About 6 or 8 months ago, I saw an interview where a top CIA official was asked directly when the last credible evidence was found concerning Bin Laden's whereabouts. He said flat out, its been almost 2 years since they had a location or any real leads. He said the trail just went cold.

Here's my speculation (take it for that):

I personally feel that he was killed a few of years ago, but in order to purpetrate continuing wars in the middle east, they didn't say a thing. Remember, George W was in office. Since then, we have increased our forces in Afganistan.

Now, as a campaign promise, Obama said he would start pulling troops out of the middle east. He let the lie go on just long enough to get the troop buildups where he wanted them. Now he wants to start slowly pulling them out over the next few years. What better way to start this off than to show the world that we are winning the war on terror. What's a better symbol of that than killing Osama?

Besides the fact that he can use this during the upcoming campaign. I don't understand why people say Obama or George W is responsible for finding and killing him. I wonder if people actually realize how government works...the joint cheifs come in and say, "hey, we think we found osama bin laden, this is the plan we recommend." or "hey we need these resources, actions to find osama, do you approve or disapprove?"

Its the people on the ground, and those going up the military ranks that make the real difference.

[Turtles]

Haha Jesus man -- are you seriously that anti-Semitic? You really think they've got a massive conspiracy for global domination running? Do you even know any Jews? Most Jews I know are left-leaning hippies that would rather legalize marijuana than visit Israel. I honestly can't even take the argument seriously. You point to a dozen Jews and say "boom, conspiracy." You can do that with anything, anywhere, with any ethnicity.

[moklianne]

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He posted first -- you've got to wait your turn.

And no, my opinion isn't based on disbelief over the concept of the media or the government lying to me. The government lies all the time. My opinion is based on a historical understanding of fact reporting and conspiracy theories. For a conspiracy theory to be effective, there have to be a very limited number of perpetrators. The more people "in on it", the more unlikely the conspiracy -- and the more likely it is for the conspiracy to be uncovered.

Outside of every major news network and every major political figure -- both Democrat and Republican -- here's a list of organizations and people that have argued against conspiracy theories behind the 9/11 attacks: the US National Institute of Standards and Technology, Popular Mechanics magazine, the 9/11 Commission Report, Noam Chomsky, MIT Engineering Professor Thomas Eagar, Bill Moyers, and most of the Civil Engineering department at BYU. That's what I uncovered in, oh, 5 minutes. I'm sure there are hundreds and hundreds more.

For there to be a conspiracy theory, all of these people would have to be in on it. There is not one legitimate, mainstream organization that a) is in a position to know, and b) has come out and supported the legitimacy of 9/11 conspiracy theories. You cannot get thousands of people in on a conspiracy theory as horrific as mass murder without it leaking out over the course of a decade. It is not logical.

Coast to Coast AM aired probably the best debate I have ever heard on the subject:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/08/21

[Lazortag]

<Giegue> I just had tandoori chicken and nachos
<wehrmacht> I'm raping noobs in the bin laden thread

Wehrmacht, you are completely full of shit. You found one or two jews (not even zionists) who works with a particular organizatino so you assumed that the entire organization must no longer be credible. Seriously, you think that popular mechanics has no credibility because a few people who might be biased work with them? What I find more hilarious than anything is the circular logic in your post; for example:

- Stephen Cauffman, Jewish Neocon Zionist - point-man on the NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) cover-up of the WTC 7 controlled demolition. NIST continues to maintain that fire alone brought down WTC 7.

Let me get this straight. One of the premises of your argument is that tower 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition. There is a source which claims the opposite. So to prove that this source is not credible, you are using the fact that one of the people associated with it believes that tower 7 was not brought down by a controlled demolition.

[Lazortag]

Edit: Sorry, the first part is supposed to say:

[Giegue] I just had tandoori chicken and nachos
[Wehrmacht] I'm raping noobs in the bin laden thread

This was from the #p99 IRC channel where wehrmacht was bragging about this thread, and I was bragging about my lunch, but the forums don't register "<" ">" tags very well.

[Gwence]

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, they're not -- lol.

Alright, this is going to be my last response to you. Abacab and Wehrmacht can at least respond. I have to slow things down word by word to even get you to follow. Here we go, buckle your helmet on and read slowly:

Context. Is. Irrelevant. To. The. Matter. Of. Whether. Or. Not. Bin. Laden. Is. Responsible. For. Murdering. Thousands. Of. Innocent. People. On. September. Eleventh. 2001.

Whether the Al Qaeda side of the story involves us raping their land, Muhammad thinking we're kind of gay, or Osama just being in a shitty mood that day, everyone -- read: the US government and Al Qaeda -- has agreed that:

a) Al Qaeda, with bin Laden as its leader, perpetrated the attacks of 9/11.
b) Thousands of innocent people died in the attacks.

Thus: Osama is a mass murderer.

Just sit tight for a couple minutes. Let it swirl around. Stop chasing shiny objects. Shit will settle soon.

Context is everything, you just arent intelligent enough to realize it. I'll preface this by saying once again I am glad bin laden is dead. This is only a devil's advocate response to your ignorance. Since you lack the ability to imagine the existent of a different perspective other than your own I'll try to stencil this out for you.

In the matter of killing "innocent" people on 9/11 can you honestly say that the people responsible for the act considered the victims innocent? You're fishing for a word that starts with i but it's not innocent, I would have gone with infidel. Spiritually racist could be another way to put it, the unholy folk need to die etc... about as far from innocent as you can get. From their side anyway.

Osama a mass murderer.. Yea he sure is --- in the eyes of Americans. Once again you contradict yourself and I dont think you even realize it. Do you really think people in al queda think of bin laden as a murderer if indeed he was there leader? I would think he would be praised as a hero from their side. Ensured glorious entry into the gates of heaven etc etc.

Im really starting to question your ivy league education, hard to believe a college graduate can be this dense, but I probably shouldnt be surprised. Your reading skills are known to be sub-par, and now your ability to argue a point is like wow..what? kind of deal... and you want to be what again?? a lawyer?

yikes.

[Gwence]

I'll supplement my last post by saying context makes no difference when talking about factual information that no one can question, like for instance Newton's 2nd law of motion or things of that nature. But when speaking about political viewpoints and philosophies and in this case speculation of motives and whatever else this thread has conjured up, context is probably the most important thing there is.

Also I dont think you went to college at all, let alone an ivy league school.

[Turtles]

Originally Posted by Gwence [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Context is everything, you just arent intelligent enough to realize it. I'll preface this by saying once again I am glad bin laden is dead. This is only a devil's advocate response to your ignorance. Since you lack the ability to imagine the existent of a different perspective other than your own I'll try to stencil this out for you.

In the matter of killing "innocent" people on 9/11 can you honestly say that the people responsible for the act considered the victims innocent? You're fishing for a word that starts with i but it's not innocent, I would have gone with infidel. Spiritually racist could be another way to put it, the unholy folk need to die etc... about as far from innocent as you can get. From their side anyway.

Osama a mass murderer.. Yea he sure is --- in the eyes of Americans. Once again you contradict yourself and I dont think you even realize it. Do you really think people in al queda think of bin laden as a murderer if indeed he was there leader? I would think he would be praised as a hero from their side. Ensured glorious entry into the gates of heaven etc etc.

Im really starting to question your ivy league education, hard to believe a college graduate can be this dense, but I probably shouldnt be surprised. Your reading skills are known to be sub-par, and now your ability to argue a point is like wow..what? kind of deal... and you want to be what again?? a lawyer?

yikes.

LOL. Whatever you say, chief. You're right. The term "innocent" is totally subjective. Those that believe non-combatants with no history of violence are "innocent" have their side. And those that believe non-Islams are infidels who must die have theirs. There's really no saying who's right or wrong. It's all about which side you're on. (Hint: I'm not entirely convinced you're catching on, so here's a heads up -- this is sarcasm.)

Also, for the love of God, if you're going to insult someone else: learn the difference between "there", "their", and "they're". It's shameful. I pointed it out earlier in the thread, and you're still making the same f*cking mistake. It's also "Al Qaeda", not "al queda". And until I corrected you, you thought bin Laden was living in caves and not within 100 miles of civilization since 9/11. This two days after it was confirmed that he was killed in Abbottabad. It's astonishing that anyone with a computer could be so ignorant.

[Turtles]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wehrmacht, you are completely full of shit. You found one or two jews (not even zionists) who works with a particular organizatino so you assumed that the entire organization must no longer be credible. Seriously, you think that popular mechanics has no credibility because a few people who might be biased work with them?

That's the crux of every conspiracy theory. In the words of an MIT Engineering Professor, it's the reverse scientific method. You start with a conclusion, and work your way back -- picking out what facts fit your argument and ignoring all others. In the case of Wehrmacht, it goes like this: The Jews were responsible for 9/11.

All of government: Pro-Zionist
9/11 Commission Report: Jews involved
Popular Mechanics: Jews involved
NIST: Jews involved

You can do it with anything. I blame it on marijuana. This was the only way for the neocon marijuan-ists to divert attention from the drug war.

George W. Bush: acknowledged using marijuana
Barack Obama: acknowledged using marijuana
Osama bin Laden: high strength marijuana plants found yards from his home (seriously)
Media: liberal, pro-legalization hippies
9/11 Commission: multiple members have admitted to using marijuana
NIST: multiple members have admitted to using marijuana
Popular Mechanics: multiple members have admitted to using marijuana

See? It's the fucking wacky weed. It's reefer madness, bro.