28 Hours and 24 min since last Manastone

[Bazia]

i never knew how obsessed people were about manastones, its like 6 threads a day with 100 replies per thread

[bubur]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i never knew how obsessed people were about manastones, its like 6 threads a day with 100 replies per thread

this is just the early stages. Would be interested to see the /count on where the masses are at in levels on both servers today and in the next few weeks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Crovax]

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Removing the list would not change the amount of time it takes to get the item to drop. All it would do is serve to allow more fuckery and more petitions for the unpaid staff.

No but it would allow people to sleep. If I decided to do it with friends or guilds I can sleep. Which makes it not like suicide. But my suggestion isn't just, "Remove the list". That is just one suggestion. My suggestion is currently just: The current list mechanic has the consequence of staying up non-stop for 60+ hours and that is extremely unhealthy.

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am open to an alternative that makes sense, sure. Nothing has been suggested that comes close though. The list is the closest to keeping it classic while also ensuring the staff don't wake up every morning to a bunch of manastone related petitions.

I like my suggestion of just allowing a sleep break after someone has been at the camp doing the afk check for 24 hours straight. We can currently already be logged out for the 900 seconds. So just make an option like that that is allowed after 24 hours but instead of 900 seconds it is 6 hours or so and only usable once every 24 hours. But that is just one suggestion and I am sure the guides, and devs would be able to think of a better one. I talked to a guide earlier about this and they said they have talked about the issue so I know they are at the very least thinking of it.

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if the list was removed, people would still be staying up for ungodly amounts of time to ensure that their spot didn't get handed off to someone else. What is it exactly that you envision happening if the list were removed? Everyone playing nice and waiting in line still? If that's the case then that is just simply adorable of you! The players here have shown time and time again what they will resort to for items that drop all the time. We are talking about one of the rarest and most coveted items in classic here that only drops for a short period of time.

Again, what is the alternative that you propose?

You really are enjoying the straw man tactic, uh? Again. I am not here saying, "This is the best method use mine!" And I am certainly not saying, "Remove the list and everything would be perfect!". But I would rather have a few elite guilds hoarding it then people playing to the point of exhaustion and passing out at 60 hours. Though I would prefer an alternative version of /list. Maybe a slight change to either the spawn timer, or rate. Or keep it the same but give people away to sleep every 24-36 hours. But again, my most important point is that the current system when using as intended at the manastone camp is pretty unhealthy and could use some tinkering.

[Almond]

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, what is the alternative that you propose?

The first step is admitting there is a problem. We aren’t there yet till enough attention is created for the staff to chime in.

No one is proposing an exact fix because it will derail the conversation. The goal isn’t to develop the perfect solution here and now because frankly their may not be a perfect solution.

But in its current form it’s a very unhealthy camp and will only get worse as the masses move to it and hit 35. Some of them will walk away ... some won’t... and some when closer to the date of its removal may make terrible choices.

Happy to debate alternitaves in another thread- but I’d like to contain this one to 50+ hour camps put players at risk.

[Nikkanu]

This is crazy. I didn't start on Blue server until late 2013 and have multiple Manastones on Blue without investing 50+ hours straight to camp one. I can't imagine putting so much effort into camping one on a server where they will be super common and worth a fraction of what they are worth on Blue.

[bubur]

Originally Posted by Nikkanu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is crazy. I didn't start on Blue server until late 2013 and have multiple Manastones on Blue without investing 50+ hours straight to camp one. I can't imagine putting so much effort into camping one on a server where they will be super common and worth a fraction of what they are worth on Blue.

Wtt manastone for rubi BP + fbss

Not real btw don't send me forum msgs...but yes you will see this in the next 6 months

[Spock2020]

I thought I saw rogean saying manastone, guise and jboots gonna become no trade at one point and for sure before merge with blue.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No but it would allow people to sleep. If I decided to do it with friends or guilds I can sleep. Which makes it not like suicide. But my suggestion isn't just, "Remove the list". That is just one suggestion. My suggestion is currently just: The current list mechanic has the consequence of staying up non-stop for 60+ hours and that is extremely unhealthy.

It would "allow" people to sleep. LOL. All of the healthy people with minimal mental illness don't need someone else to "allow" them to sleep in the first place. We are going to keep coming back to this point which you can't see or refuse to see for some reason.

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like my suggestion of just allowing a sleep break after someone has been at the camp doing the afk check for 24 hours straight. We can currently already be logged out for the 900 seconds. So just make an option like that that is allowed after 24 hours but instead of 900 seconds it is 6 hours or so and only usable once every 24 hours. But that is just one suggestion and I am sure the guides, and devs would be able to think of a better one. I talked to a guide earlier about this and they said they have talked about the issue so I know they are at the very least thinking of it.

This is a suggestion, sure. Not a good one. Imagine being number one in line at the camp, then all of a sudden 10 random people just woke up from their "6 hour sleep breaks" and now you are number 11. This is just going to create an even larger convoluted mess and will leave everything further and further away from Nilbog's vision than where we are now with the list.

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really are enjoying the straw man tactic, uh? Again. I am not here saying, "This is the best method use mine!" And I am certainly not saying, "Remove the list and everything would be perfect!". But I would rather have a few elite guilds hoarding it then people playing to the point of exhaustion and passing out at 60 hours. Though I would prefer an alternative version of /list. Maybe a slight change to either the spawn timer, or rate. Or keep it the same but give people away to sleep every 24-36 hours.

Propose a real alternative then instead of whining like a little bitch all day. Removing the list is out of the question (see: unpaid staff)

Silly me though trying to debate realistic solutions with somebody who someone finds time to stay up for 50 hours to stare at a virtual wall on the internet to obtain an item that will marginally improve your gameplay... I am now off to go handle some of these real life obligations now that you may have heard other people talk about from time to time.

Good luck in there! Don't forget to stretch and stay hydrated. <3

[zaneosak]

You guys that are complaining with 0 proposed solutions should go into American politics. You'd be some top notch career politicians and make a lot more money than selling your manastone for usd could ever make.

[bubur]

A lot of suggestions put forward here so far and I'm not saying they suck

But

Keep in mind the staff is working with the titanium client under contract with dbg. Nobody but them knows the details of what is a) mechanically possible and b) contractually possible

For example, they may have wanted to randomize the location of afk check boxes, but couldn't due to one of the above reasons. TLDR the more a "solution" increases in complexity, the more unlikely it is. In the end, you can ask them to increase the drop rate, at best.

Hek even the current list system may have been pushing it