People Boxing Think They Are So Clever

[fadetree]

'Boxing' has nothing to do with MQ2. Limited boxing (meaning you can only have a small number of accounts online at any one time) is in my opinion a nice option to have. TAKP, for instance, allows up to 3 accounts online at a time. That's a good number because although you can certainly grind and do some of the smaller end game encounters you cannot really just run amok and take down raid targets. TAKP also has a pretty large exp bonus for others in group, so that it still encourages grouping whenever possible. TAKP does not allow MQ2 or any kind of macroing or cheating, and they are aggressive about banning for it. This means you have to PLAY your characters. Playing 3 toons at once with no macros is not easy, try it sometime...when things go sideways it can be very exciting.
I respect P99's stance on boxing, but I like boxing the way TAKP does it. I hate being lfg and I like the option to be able to grind while waiting. The box limit means nobody will be monopolizing any hard targets. The strict ban on macro-ing means you have to actually play the boxes manually.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

'Boxing' has nothing to do with MQ2. Limited boxing (meaning you can only have a small number of accounts online at any one time) is in my opinion a nice option to have. TAKP, for instance, allows up to 3 accounts online at a time. That's a good number because although you can certainly grind and do some of the smaller end game encounters you cannot really just run amok and take down raid targets. TAKP also has a pretty large exp bonus for others in group, so that it still encourages grouping whenever possible. TAKP does not allow MQ2 or any kind of macroing or cheating, and they are aggressive about banning for it. This means you have to PLAY your characters. Playing 3 toons at once with no macros is not easy, try it sometime...when things go sideways it can be very exciting.
I respect P99's stance on boxing, but I like boxing the way TAKP does it. I hate being lfg and I like the option to be able to grind while waiting. The box limit means nobody will be monopolizing any hard targets. The strict ban on macro-ing means you have to actually play the boxes manually.

I REALLY dislike boxing on EQ because of the limited size of the world and the generally harsh consequences for failure when trying to solo stuff like freeti, lord, etc., that are mitigated/eliminated by boxing. Say what you will about it sometimes being tricky to box, most wouldn't be trying to triple box the same content 3 separate players could handle but rather would be farming content with boxing that normally would be risky or class-limited to handle solo.

That said, when city of heroes "homecoming" emu servers fired up earlier this year, they put in a "you can run a second account, but no more than that, as long as the server population is below XXX." I forgot the exact number, but if P99 had a "you can run a second account, but no more than that, as long as the server population is below 400 (or something like that, maybe 500. Maybe 600 with kunark)," I think I would actually be ok with it. Barely. And still maybe not.

I feel like this wouldn't change things much since it doesn't do TOO much to help people trying to PL alts or farm plat/camps, as long as the number is set properly. But it throws a bone to the players who are online at 3-10 am eastern when groups can be hard to find and could help even out the class distribution a little by allowing people playing off hours to play a melee with a sham/cle or something boxed.


Or even a "you can box but one of the accounts has to be in east commonlands" policy would be tolerable, imo. Barely.

[DisbeAsos]

MQ was one of the many declines in Original EQ. I was getting towards the end of my raid career and not having enough time to put into hardcore raiding i started MQing. It was fun for a few weeks and then i realized i wasnt grouping anymore and missing the social aspect of the game. This was something that effected everyone as people LFG couldnt get in a group because half the groups were MQ groups. I used MQ for 2-3 months and then thats about the time i stopped playing.

I came back to EQ a few months ago for a Winter and night time hobby. The things i enjoy the most and am currently enjoying that ive missed for the last 10 years is the community, social and economy aspects of the game. These are the things i thought about from time to time in my 10 years away and why i am playing.

My wife likes to play a little EQ too and we use our mobile phones on hot spot for internet. I have an IP exemption so we can play together. I had a friend ask me to log her toon on while i was in another zone to do a transfer and i told him no way no how. I am trying to get my 12 and 16 yr old interested so i can play with them too so we may end up having 3 or 4 accounts on at the same time. IP exemptions are needed and a great idea.

[Kron]

Originally Posted by Frug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If that's a test for boxers, 80% of the mages on blue I ever grouped with are boxers.

I've grouped with tons of mages and they cast spells. Maybe you only play with lazy ones that send in a pet can call it a day.

Also most people react when a high lvl mob is hitting them by either moving or trying to snare and move. This particular mage would not react in any way even if he was killed due to HK been train central.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Kron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've grouped with tons of mages and they cast spells. Maybe you only play with lazy ones that send in a pet can call it a day.

Also most people react when a high lvl mob is hitting them by either moving or trying to snare and move. This particular mage would not react in any way even if he was killed due to HK been train central.

The not moving even when about to die is obviously weird, but I don't think not moving while being hit is necessarily odd.

When I play a caster, I try not to move for at least a little bit while the tank tries to regain aggro (unless I can root). When I play a tank, I appreciate casters who do that if they can't root. Nothing worse than a caster running around just because it's getting whacked a bit while you try and follow them to regain aggro.

[Pseudechis]

Originally Posted by Kron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've grouped with tons of mages and they cast spells. Maybe you only play with lazy ones that send in a pet can call it a day.

Also most people react when a high lvl mob is hitting them by either moving or trying to snare and move. This particular mage would not react in any way even if he was killed due to HK been train central.

Mage have snares?

[Dreenk317]

Was that the only line you read? Because literally, in the same sentence, he says most react by "moving, or trying to snare and move"....

As in, the ones without snare just try to move, however, the ones with snare (I assume he means root) will try to root and then move. Reading comprehension ftw.

[Pseudechis]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was that the only line you read? Because literally, in the same sentence, he says most react by "moving, or trying to snare and move"....

As in, the ones without snare just try to move, however, the ones with snare (I assume he means root) will try to root and then move. Reading comprehension ftw.

Mages have root now?

[Veeshan31]

Originally Posted by Pseudechis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mages have root now?

I'm sensing a mentally challenged individual.

[Nordok]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I REALLY dislike boxing on EQ because of the limited size of the world and the generally harsh consequences for failure when trying to solo stuff like freeti, lord, etc., that are mitigated/eliminated by boxing. Say what you will about it sometimes being tricky to box, most wouldn't be trying to triple box the same content 3 separate players could handle but rather would be farming content with boxing that normally would be risky or class-limited to handle solo.

That said, when city of heroes "homecoming" emu servers fired up earlier this year, they put in a "you can run a second account, but no more than that, as long as the server population is below XXX." I forgot the exact number, but if P99 had a "you can run a second account, but no more than that, as long as the server population is below 400 (or something like that, maybe 500. Maybe 600 with kunark)," I think I would actually be ok with it. Barely. And still maybe not.

I feel like this wouldn't change things much since it doesn't do TOO much to help people trying to PL alts or farm plat/camps, as long as the number is set properly. But it throws a bone to the players who are online at 3-10 am eastern when groups can be hard to find and could help even out the class distribution a little by allowing people playing off hours to play a melee with a sham/cle or something boxed.


Or even a "you can box but one of the accounts has to be in east commonlands" policy would be tolerable, imo. Barely.

The only reason I hate that boxing is allowed is because then it forces me to do it and I just find it tedious, even if useful. And its the only reason i'm not playing on the zek server cause you have to box to be competitive.