Bard stat questions / twink items?

[VincentVolaju]

Yeah, I am like more confused then ever now lmao. Everyone is saying something different almost lol. FML >_>.

[Mcbard]

I haven't parsed it, so I'm not sure if it's hard coded into the client or not but what dr4z3r is saying is true, most bard songs are type 2 and are, following the timeline, not supposed to stack with enchanter/shaman haste. I didn't think overhaste (type3) came out until Luclin, but I may be mistaken and it may have been Velious.

[Arkanjil]

v3 compositions came out with Velious and do stack with enchanter/shaman hastes. The other bard songs like Versus of Celerity are v2 like enc/shm and do not stack. Haste does have a cap though.

[Arkanjil]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's really amazing after 12 years all the misconceptions that are still VERY present about bards... from people who play bards!

each post has been contradicted by another post in this very thread so far!

cheers!

The thing is that this server, while having some accurate coding, does have different formulas than live for calculating bard abilities. Haynar did an amazing job making bards very workable, especially since the server 1st launched, but it is not quite the same.

[jerus]

Originally Posted by maestrom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard overhaste (the ervaj line) is in Velious.

Pretty sure ervaj line was not overhaste but stackable haste. IE you have FBSS (21% haste) and have Celerity(50%) that's 71% haste. Ervaj adds on to that up to 100% total capped.

It wasn't until later that we got rizlona line and such which gave us the post 100% overcap haste.

There are 4 hastes, worn, spell, bard ervaj, and bard overhaste/clicky overhaste

That is from live right now, so just a matter of time, but if it stops in velious pretty sure bards will never see true overhaste.

[Dr4z3r]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's really amazing after 12 years all the misconceptions that are still VERY present about bards... from people who play bards!

each post has been contradicted by another post in this very thread so far!

cheers!

I was told to use my unresistable resistance debuff on a mob last January. Definitely a Velious spell...

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Mcbard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've honestly found charisma to be nearly useless as a bard. Our mez/charm lasts 18 seconds max, and with very bad charisma (something in the 130s I believe) most of the time both of these will stick for full durations, unless a mob is within 1-2 levels of me in which case it will often break within the first few seconds if it breaks at all. If I had to do everything over I would put all of my starting stats into stam, and what little I had left into dex (song failures are fairly frequent, and dex is always good for procs).

You do realize the mezzes are all-or-nothing, right? There's no such thing as a partial-duration mez. Charisma has nothing to do with mezzes. How could you play a Bard as a main up to the mid-50's and not know this?

Anyways, Nalkin was right when he said to put all your points into stamina. If I were able to max my sta I'd probably have ~600 more HP than I do now (but that's mostly because my Sta is pathetically low), which is a pretty big deal if you ask me. At higher levels it really does make a difference. Who cares about missed notes? Just cast the song again.

[greatdane]

Ah, the hp difference isn't quite so high. Putting all your points in stamina will probably give you about 200-250ish more hp at 60, something like that. I forget the exact sta:hp conversion rate for bards, but it's probably a notch below the hybrids. It's still the best stat to put your points into for nearly any class (and certainly for non-casters), but it won't make a 600hp difference.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah, the hp difference isn't quite so high. Putting all your points in stamina will probably give you about 200-250ish more hp at 60, something like that. I forget the exact sta:hp conversion rate for bards, but it's probably a notch below the hybrids. It's still the best stat to put your points into for nearly any class (and certainly for non-casters), but it won't make a 600hp difference.

At level 60 I get 4HP per Sta. The 600 HP difference I was talking about was the difference between maxing my sta and keeping it how it currently is, but that's only because my sta is low. My point is that maxing Sta has a lot of potential, maxing Dex does not. I'd rather have 600 more HP than never miss a note. The 25 points you put into Sta will give you 100 HP in the long run, which is better than having 25 Dex imo.

[greatdane]

Is the ratio that low? But yeah, definitely not worth putting points in dex for pretty much any class except possibly warriors. I played an all-dex dwarf warrior for a while and was happy with it, but no other class needs the stat enough to spend irreversible creation points in it. Pretty much all classes should put all points in stamina, although with casters, it's a bit of a toss-up and depends on whether you intend to get high-end gear. You can go all-stamina on every single class and know that you didn't make a bad choice, at least.