Cheating everywhere, GMs???

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Things have been toxic and bad for a VERY LONG TIME so we shouldn't do anything to try to fix it" - You

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That and having my main account perma banned for questionable reasons but that's besides the point.

rofl you cant make this shit up

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic EQ wasn't competitive. Hope this helps.

90%+ servers had a single guild at the top gobbling up all the raid content they wanted and everything they didn't want went to random guilds who just happened to find mobs up. No one tracked things, very few guilds or people had timers going for raid mobs. There was no fighting over mobs.

That doesn't mean EQ isn't designed to be competitive. The only reason why this was the case was because of lack of knowledge and the speed at which expansions came out.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't play, how do you know P99 is toxic? The forums are honestly much different from playing in game.

I played P99 extensively for years. I have friends that have played past and present. I'm well aware of how things have been over the years and the forums are enough of an indicator to me that nothing has changed since I last played. It's a nice thought that the forums aren't indicative of the state of the game but historically that just isn't true and I have no reason to believe that's changed.

Originally Posted by Tunabros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yup nice going

you just discredited yourself

also saying that classic eq is not competitive is halarious. everything literally

spawns in real time, forcing players to fight over scarce amount of mobs

and the only way to get perma banned on p99 is if you are toxic as shit, you box, or

RMT

so im gonna take everything you say for a grain of salt

As others have said there was very little fighting or competition over raid mobs on a lot of servers back in the day. Many servers had GM enforced raid rotations directly going against the idea of competing as you claim was the intent. Instances were implemented as a direct result of the fighting/competition over mobs starting to get out of control on some servers because..... wait for it... they didn't want pve raiding to be competitive! It's very fucking clearly not intended. You have to do some serious mental gymnastics to argue otherwise. Everything spawns in real time because the game came out in fucking 1999 before instance/phasing technology existed. It was literally the only way they knew how to do things. You're literally arguing that FTE race style competition was intended because they made the game the only way they knew how to do so at the time. That's some hilarious shit :P

P.S. I wasn't banned for any of the reasons you stated. Good guesses tho!

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rofl you cant make this shit up

Yea there's never been any questionable decisions or actions made by a member of P99 staff before. You're right I must be a crazy toxic lunatic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ooloo]

If you haven't yet figured out that the distinction of whether something is "classic" or not here means nothing, and you shouldn't expect it to, I dunno what to tell you.

The admins responding emergently to emergent behavior among the playerbase *IS* classic everquest.

[zati]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played P99 extensively for years. I have friends that have played past and present. I'm well aware of how things have been over the years and the forums are enough of an indicator to me that nothing has changed since I last played. It's a nice thought that the forums aren't indicative of the state of the game but historically that just isn't true and I have no reason to believe that's changed.





As others have said there was very little fighting or competition over raid mobs on a lot of servers back in the day. Many servers had GM enforced raid rotations directly going against the idea of competing as you claim was the intent. Instances were implemented as a direct result of the fighting/competition over mobs starting to get out of control on some servers because..... wait for it... they didn't want pve raiding to be competitive! It's very fucking clearly not intended. You have to do some serious mental gymnastics to argue otherwise. Everything spawns in real time because the game came out in fucking 1999 before instance/phasing technology existed. It was literally the only way they knew how to do things. You're literally arguing that FTE race style competition was intended because they made the game the only way they knew how to do so at the time. That's some hilarious shit :P

P.S. I wasn't banned for any of the reasons you stated. Good guesses tho!

You know yer talking to brick walls and trolls at this point now, right? I kinda concluded(Personally) that the top 1-5% raiders "need" this server the way it is to continue having a reason so why not let them(it's a community-based server afterall) you never know what struggles they have. My only reason for posting was to take wall-staring out of the equation entirely cause it directly affects the persons health behind the screen unbeknownst to other members and the 'possibility of cheating' (Not saying OP is correct) enable other players to try to one-up said person. Also saying P99 is an E-sport needs to stop. This isn't Starcraft or some blizzard ranked game with a ladder system. Anyways eff this thread it should be locked! It was entertaining to me 50 pages of pure garbage.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by zati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know yer talking to brick walls and trolls at this point now, right? I kinda concluded(Personally) that the top 1-5% raiders "need" this server the way it is to continue having a reason so why not let them(it's a community-based server afterall) you never know what struggles they have. My only reason for posting was to take wall-staring out of the equation entirely cause it directly affects the persons health behind the screen unbeknownst to other members and the 'possibility of cheating' (Not saying OP is correct) enable other players to try to one-up said person. Also saying P99 is an E-sport needs to stop. This isn't Starcraft or some blizzard ranked game with a ladder system. Anyways eff this thread it should be locked! It was entertaining to me 50 pages of pure garbage.

Claiming people are brick walls or trolls for disagreeing with you is silly. If the majority of the server agreed with you, they would have changed the rules, or the population would have tanked by now.

The continued healthy population of the server disproves any notion that the majority prefer something like rotations or instancing. Remember, TLP has been around for years, so people would have completely abandoned P99 years ago if they really wanted instancing/rotations.

Also, assuming a non-instanced MMO isn't competitive is equally silly. When scarcity exists, competition arises. If you don't want competition, play a game with instancing.

[zati]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Claiming people are brick walls or trolls for disagreeing with you is silly. If the majority of the server agreed with you, they would have changed the rules, or the population would have tanked by now.

The continued healthy population of the server disproves any notion that the majority prefer something like rotations or instancing. Remember, TLP has been around for years, so people would have completely abandoned P99 years ago if they really wanted instancing/rotations.

Also, assuming a non-instanced MMO isn't competitive is equally silly. When scarcity exists, competition arises. If you don't want competition, play a game with instancing.

EQ isn't an E-sport.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by zati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ isn't an E-sport.

I never said it was, and neither is anyone else here in the thread besides you. Competition != to an ESport.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by zati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My only reason for posting was to take wall-staring out of the equation entirely cause it directly affects the persons health behind the screen

This is really not a great argument either. Sitting on your ass doing anything directly affects your health negatively. It's not like being addicted to the wall-staring model of EQ is any more or less healthy than being addicted to the modern WOW clickfest version of it.

You should really leave the health question out of any future attempts to persuade people about how the server is run cause it makes no sense.